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Old 08-21-2022, 01:57 PM   #111
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Generalized softwood is very risky if I'm honest. It can be any wood species, and not all softwood species are safe for hamster use.

As far as pine goes, generally for toys even without being kiln dried you're unlikely to have the same kinds of impacts that pine as substrate would cause. That being said to complicate things further you can never fully remove all the phenols with kiln drying(as it doesn't get hot enough to actually remove the phenols), and it does seem like even kiln dried pine sort of reactivates in terms of phenols based on the observations of others - so I would not use any sort of pine as substrate personally just knowing the phenols will always be there.

With substrate, you have a significantly larger surface area than a toy or platform for example. I would lean towards toys definitely being made from pine as fairly safe but unfortunately a lot of companies use nails and questionable glues or other things to make them further unsafe.
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Old 08-21-2022, 02:03 PM   #112
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Generalized softwood is very risky if I'm honest. It can be any wood species, and not all softwood species are safe for hamster use.

As far as pine goes, generally for toys even without being kiln dried you're unlikely to have the same kinds of impacts that pine as substrate would cause. That being said to complicate things further you can never fully remove all the phenols with kiln drying(as it doesn't get hot enough to actually remove the phenols), and it does seem like even kiln dried pine sort of reactivates in terms of phenols based on the observations of others - so I would not use any sort of pine as substrate personally just knowing the phenols will always be there.

With substrate, you have a significantly larger surface area than a toy or platform for example. I would lean towards toys definitely being made from pine as fairly safe but unfortunately a lot of companies use nails and questionable glues or other things to make them further unsafe.

But what about this platform, made of hardwood, is that okay? Trixie Rabbit Shelter & Resting Spot - Skjul & Hvileplass til kanin - Tropehagen.no - Dyrebutikk.no
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Old 08-21-2022, 02:08 PM   #113
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I agree with you. I have found it is not easy to find suitable hamster things too.
It will be mainly the houses and tunnels in the cart
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Old 08-21-2022, 02:10 PM   #114
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It will be mainly the houses and tunnels in the cart
I hope you can find things you like.
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Old 08-21-2022, 02:42 PM   #115
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I hope you can find things you like.
I`ve checked the house made of teracotta/ceramic, and its actually smaller then the store says it is :O
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Old 08-21-2022, 02:43 PM   #116
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I`ve checked the house made of teracotta/ceramic, and its actually smaller then the store says it is :O
Oh no! It is good you checked it. Maybe there is a bigger one you can buy?
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Old 08-21-2022, 02:45 PM   #117
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Same idea applies unfortunately as it's also unspecified wood, so without knowing the wood species it's really impossible to guarantee safety.
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Old 08-21-2022, 02:50 PM   #118
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Same idea applies unfortunately as it's also unspecified wood, so without knowing the wood species it's really impossible to guarantee safety.

Okay, then I wait. Its so frustrating that they dont can be more spesific at these things.
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Old 08-21-2022, 02:53 PM   #119
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Oh no! It is good you checked it. Maybe there is a bigger one you can buy?
I have made my order. Now it cant come fast enough :P
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Old 08-21-2022, 04:56 PM   #120
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I use these platforms, including for gerbils which chew them a lot, without any problems. They're made of kiln-dried pine or fir.

The legs screw into the platform so it doesn't contain any nails.
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