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Old 06-27-2021, 02:55 AM   #11
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Default Re: Toilet training troubles

One option is to add a second toilet next to the existing one . He might use one for hoarding and one for peeing. Or he might use both for both lol. There is one behavioural thing hamsters do and that is pee on their hoard if it has been removed before or disturbed. So by peeing on it they think (I think) it deters people from stealing it. Sometimes they just start doing it though and hamsters vary. I usually find most food is hoarded under the nest but special things get put in the toilet! Walnuts eg. Also sometimes they are running out of room in the main hosts so start hoarding somewhere else.

One thing I have noticed is that they cleverly seem to try and preserve their hoard and I have often found a lot of sand mixed in with the main hoard u see the nest - even when the sand potty is nowhere near it. So they must pouch it and take it there. Maybe and inbuilt thing to preserve their hoards - bury them in sand. That doesn’t account for peeing on a hoard which doesn’t do it any good! But designed to put people (or things) off stealing it.

It sounds like your hammy is protecting his hoard by peeing away from it.

One thing I used to do if they start hoarding in the potty is - take the food out and put it next to the potty - and keep doing this. They sometimes then learn to put the hoard there instead. I’d do it so the hamster could see what you’re doing (and talk to him at the same time and explain what I was doing!). It has worked sometimes.

I think some hansters thing the potty is just a useful hoarding receptacle - ours sometimes puts food in a ceramic hide too. So by giving him two potties it might just work.

As for the detolf - I also think it would be messy and difficult to clean with a sand area so I’d try a bowl.
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Old 06-27-2021, 02:58 AM   #12
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Default Re: Toilet training troubles

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That's what Shamu's doing! I've never seen it before so it's interesting to know she's not the only one. It's a proper handstand with tail pointing to the ceiling. I put a toilet in her pee corner,so she's tipped it over and selected a new corner. It was a covered toilet though, I'm going to try a different style.

My enclosure is much smaller than a detolf, but a quarter is sand and I'm using a small sieve from Sainsbury's to run through it for bedding and poop. It doesn't take long, and returns the sand to something she enjoys digging in. I imagine a larger sieve would work well in a detolf for stray bits of bedding.
I do have quite a large sieve that I use. Remy was transferred to a Detolf on thursday and I've decided to put it in a bowl for now as I actually decided to make a raised lid to add *very* deep bedding throughout.

As with the handstand, haha, so cute!! My previous hamster never done it so it was pretty funny to watch the first time I saw him do it!
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Old 06-27-2021, 03:10 AM   #13
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One option is to add a second toilet next to the existing one . He might use one for hoarding and one for peeing. Or he might use both for both lol. There is one behavioural thing hamsters do and that is pee on their hoard if it has been removed before or disturbed. So by peeing on it they think (I think) it deters people from stealing it. Sometimes they just start doing it though and hamsters vary. I usually find most food is hoarded under the nest but special things get put in the toilet! Walnuts eg. Also sometimes they are running out of room in the main hosts so start hoarding somewhere else.

One thing I have noticed is that they cleverly seem to try and preserve their hoard and I have often found a lot of sand mixed in with the main hoard u see the nest - even when the sand potty is nowhere near it. So they must pouch it and take it there. Maybe and inbuilt thing to preserve their hoards - bury them in sand. That doesn’t account for peeing on a hoard which doesn’t do it any good! But designed to put people (or things) off stealing it.

It sounds like your hammy is protecting his hoard by peeing away from it.

One thing I used to do if they start hoarding in the potty is - take the food out and put it next to the potty - and keep doing this. They sometimes then learn to put the hoard there instead. I’d do it so the hamster could see what you’re doing (and talk to him at the same time and explain what I was doing!). It has worked sometimes.

I think some hansters thing the potty is just a useful hoarding receptacle - ours sometimes puts food in a ceramic hide too. So by giving him two potties it might just work.

As for the detolf - I also think it would be messy and difficult to clean with a sand area so I’d try a bowl.
Ah, thank you so much for this information Serendipity! That totally does make a lot more sense and I can definitely understand why he'd do that now... With his hoard in his toilet, it does seem to be things like treats and certain fruits! I always worry about this as I feel like the sand will stick to the bit he's nibbled on and he'd end up eating sand!!

I'll look into another toilet to put beside!
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