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Old 07-13-2020, 02:06 AM   #1
Fluffy_girl
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Default Need advice with substrate

Hello
Again repeatable question)

I have my first dwarf hamster now
I use Chipsi «‎Mais» substrate and just want to ask if it ok
It is small corn granulat I bought here in Ukraine
Now I wonder if it is better to find and order something else
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Old 07-13-2020, 04:02 AM   #2
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Hiya. It is technically safe but I wouldn’t use it. It can mould very easily so if you were to use it I would only do so in a small section of the cage where you can monitor it. Also, it doesn’t seem very optimal or stable to burrow in.

The Chipsi classic bedding is a safe alternative, although if you can, I would buy any type of non-scented paper bedding such as carefresh and Kaytee Clean and Cozy.
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Old 07-13-2020, 04:13 AM   #3
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Thank you, I will check it!
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Old 07-13-2020, 06:58 AM   #4
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Corn actually isn't safe at all as a substrate. It is very likely if not guaranteed to mold, so you need to remove all of it and any traces immediately for your hamster's safety unfortunately.
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Old 07-13-2020, 07:17 AM   #5
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So sad(
I thought it is great substrate (at least from reviews on shop websites) and even asked vet about it so I was assured that corn substrate is the best variant
I am going to order Kaytee Clean and Cozy online because in shops there are only some cheap sawdust
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Old 07-13-2020, 07:44 AM   #6
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Default Re: Need advice with substrate

You can use corn cob in a small, sectioned off digging pit; it only moulds if wet (coconut fibre can mould too!). It's perfectly safe once in a small, easily monitored area.

It's not suitable as the main substrate because it offers zero burrow stability. In Europe, Chips Classic is readily available everywhere - I'd recommend you switch to that, or Allspan.
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Old 07-13-2020, 11:58 PM   #7
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You can use corn cob in a small, sectioned off digging pit; it only moulds if wet (coconut fibre can mould too!). It's perfectly safe once in a small, easily monitored area.

It's not suitable as the main substrate because it offers zero burrow stability. In Europe, Chips Classic is readily available everywhere - I'd recommend you switch to that, or Allspan.

Is it something like this?
https://rozetka.com.ua/ua/chipsi_400...xoC3hQQAvD_BwE
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Old 07-14-2020, 01:56 AM   #8
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Yes, that! Allspan is also another option, but I find Chipsi is commonly available in most pet shops in Europe. Its 70% spruce, 30% fir - so, safe for hamsters!
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Old 07-14-2020, 02:32 AM   #9
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My experience with sawdust substrate in eastern europe is that its all made from resinous trees that are not kiln dried. You are better with paper bedding or hemp. If zooplus delivers to ukraine you might want to get the 14kg hemp bedding that they have.
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Old 07-14-2020, 02:55 AM   #10
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Chipsi classic is 70% spruce, which is a safe softwood. The remaining 30% is fir, but given the exceptionally low phenol levels of spruce, the phenols are diluted to a safe range. Chipsi is also resin & dust extracted, and used by many in Europe. It's a safe substrate, and offers superb burrow stability in contrast to beddings like hemp (which offer practically none at all!).

Kiln drying has no effect on phenol levels (that we know of, at least) so, whether or not a substrate is kiln dried doesn't matter. What's important is phenol levels - and that's what you need to focus on!
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