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Old 03-10-2017, 03:24 AM   #1
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Default Alexander question/can I see your cages?

Hi all,

I'm contemplating a new ham, but want to get the housing straightened out first. I like the look of the Alexander, but I've a couple of questions -

The wooden furniture looks like it would get mucky and pee-damaged, is there ham-safe paint or sealant that can be used? Preferably clear or a natural colour?

Also the shelf seems quite high, would it be necessary to make some kind of barrier around the edge to prevent falling? Hot gluing wooden dowels or something, maybe?

If you've any pics of set up Alexanders, it'd be appreciated!
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Old 03-10-2017, 03:36 AM   #2
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You can use Plastikote water based enamel paint (it comes in clear as well as colours) to protect wooden items.

I'm not sure but I think you can adjust the height of the shelf, it probably wouldn't be that high once the base is full of substrate anyway & you might not want to use it if you need space for a 10-12" wheel for a syrian.

ETA If you look at the photos in this review you can see the gap between the shelf & the base of the cage isn't that much so it wouldn't be far between substrate & shelf.
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Old 03-10-2017, 05:07 AM   #3
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You can have the shelves whatever height you want But even so there is quite a big drop through the gap from the top of the cage. I don't think anyone has had problems with the edges of the shelves being a problem - you can heap the substrate up in the middle a bit And keep any hard toys under the shelves so they don't fall on them. The gap is about 40cm wide I think.

I went round the houses a bit with possible set ups for the Alexander. There are a number of ways to deal with the gap, but then it can make it difficult to fit a Syrian sized wheel in - unless you take the back joining shelf out.

Here are a few ways people have set it up. I quite like the one where the joining shelf is moved to the front and the wheel is at the back. You could put a little screw in shelf over the wheel then maybe. (Scroll down page)

Syrian cages?

This set up covers most of the gap (although I'd use wood or a chill'n chew mat rather than a fabric hammock) but it's for a dwarf hammy so doesn't allow for a big wheel.

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I had a few ideas for setting it up with a Syrian wheel and still using all three shelves as I like the racetrack idea of it - it's almost a whole extra level. One was to have the wheel at the left end of the cage facing inwards, with the shelf over it higher up and low substrate at that end, then a bendy stick bridge to fence that wheel end/area off and have deeper substrate in the rest of the cage. The right hand shelf could be lower down, with the joining shelf sloping down between the left shelf and right one. It only works for certain wheels though as some are taller than others. It would work with a 27cm wodent wheel and possible a 28cm Trixie wheel or Karlie 29cm wheel.

In the end I got the Barney cage - it's about 2 or 3 cm lower, I could put the wheel wherever I wanted because the cage has a flat top, and I made it a bit like the Alexander by having a big flat roofed house to make another shelf on the opposite side, and a long narrow shelf along the back. I still had a gap in the middle and tied a big rat tube along there but had the substrate deep and there was nothing hard to fall on.

But I actually wanted the Alexander! (It was out of stock for a while so that helped decide me on the Barney). I think the Alexander looks much nicer and has that whole extra level and the nice long built in house which hamsters seem to like. I think the downside is that to fit the wheel in, people end up compromising on depth of substrate - but you can heap it up in the middle. A lot of people have used the cage just as it is and not had any fall problems as long as there's enough substrate. I believe someone said their hammy liked to jump off the shelves lol.

In the end, because I wanted lots of substrate and didn't want the wheel to reduce that, I went with the idea of just having one shelf and the wheel attached to the other end of the cage. But then it was basically a Barney cage lol, with a higher roof.

I do like the Barney cage - it was easier to set up - it's a bit deeper at 54cm which might not sound much but it makes the floor area quite a bit more and easier to fit things in. But I ended up spending more than if I'd got the Alexander by buying extra shelves/house.

I think fitting an 11" wheel in can be a pain with the Alexander, but not impossible and you could have deeper substrate in some areas and lower in others. It's a compromise between extra shelf space and extra substrate really.

The Barney cage is also 100cm now. I went with a wheel that could be screwed to the bars and sit above the substrate and spent more on the wheel rather than on the cage. Now that I've had the Barney cage I realise you can have the substrate deeper than the base quite easily With Fitch and the 7mm bar spacing, the substrate doesn't fall out! So this would be the same with the Alexander. So technically you could "raise" everything and not have a big drop through the middle.

ie have the substrate up to just below the two front doors and the shelves higher up. And use a different house than the built in one (or it would be buried lol) or use it buried and have a tunnel leading down to it. But then an 11" wheel wouldn't fit in.

At the end of the day I would have got the Alexander as first choice and fiddled around to get the shelves, wheel, substrate and fall risks sorted. But found the Barney easier to set up.

The Alexander has the bonus though of giving lots of overhead shelves for a hamster to feel secure under and you can still fit a good amount of substrate in it.

This was how my Barney was set up. The shelf is on the left with the Sputnik next to it. On the right I had a labyrinth house and stuck dowel legs on it so it sat high up as a shelf and on top of the substrate so it could be tunneled under. Along the back, covering the gap between the house and edge of the cage, is a long narrow shelf going as far as the wheel. The wheel was screwed to the bars and went right up to the roof with about 4 or 5" substrate underneath it.



You can see the substrate up against the 7mm bars - doesn't fall out

So I went with - everything higher up so there wasn't much of a drop from a height - but it meant being able to put the wheel high up as well. Similar idea to have the wheel centre back in the Alexander really and having the substrate piled up in the middle. I also didn't use the long ramp and had a bendy bridge ramp instead so it took up less space (although that one screws to the bars so it was secure).
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Old 03-10-2017, 05:17 AM   #4
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This was before the labyrinth house, with a different house



And from the top



Back shelf prevented falls and hard toys were underneath it



Partly set up - masses of substrate lol. You can see the back shelf there before the high up house was added (the tube and hammock were just a temporary thing while our hammy checked out the cage).



The idea was there were shelves all round up to the edges of the wheel and the wheel was just off touching the top so nowhere to fall from except the middle so had deep substrate in the middle and the tube going across the middle as well - which ended up making a roof top run between the back shelf and left shelf via the sputnik, which was fun.

Before substrate added

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Old 03-10-2017, 05:17 AM   #5
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The house that made the right hand shelf



Another view (not much on the shelves as he couldn't climb by then)



Sorry got a bit carried away there.

If you like the Alexander I would maybe go with having the wheel on the left under a higher up shelf, with the right hand shelf lower and the joining shelf sloping down and pile the substrate up into a huge mountain in the middle.

Just thought it might help visualise substrate piled up in the middle of the Alexander. I guess I let the wheel dictate the cage really. It's the 12" silent runner wheel - it looks small in the Barney lol. It can also be used on its stand but is about 35cm tall on the stand.

One thing I have never worked out (and would like to know) that could be an option in the Alexander, is if the Silent Runner, if screwed to the back bars of the Alexander as high as it would go, would work. It means it is only 30cm in height without the stand, and higher up. I think it would work, because it stands out a good inch from the bars due to the spacer so wouldn't rub against the cage base I think - but not sure. But then you'd have an expensive cage and an expensive wheel lol.

Photo below what the silent runner looks like from the back, cage mounted and spacer tube thing.

Adding up what I spent though:

£49 ish for Barney cage
£25 for Silent runner
£5 for wheel mounting plates
£15 ish for shelves from ranchouse cages (the long shelf at the back, the two little ledges and the coloured bendy bridge ramp screwed on).
£30 for the house (including postage)
£7 on german ham-safe wood glue (great stuff I still have the bottle and use it for all sorts)
£4 on wood dowels

Not including toys. So total about £135

Whereas you could spend £69 on the Alexander which already has three shelves and a good house and even with a £30 silent runner wheel and cage attachments it would be less than the amount I spent on the Barney to get it a bit like the Alexander! On the other hand I did get an extra 400cm of floor space with the Barney (extra 4cm depth by 100cm length) which is almost 2" deeper.

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Old 03-10-2017, 05:43 AM   #6
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This is the wheel and spacer from the back

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Old 03-10-2017, 09:21 AM   #7
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I use cuprinol garden shades to paint all hamster houses, etc. It is great and comes in a wide variety of colours.
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Old 03-10-2017, 11:45 AM   #8
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Like flowerfairy, I use Cuprinol Garden Shades for wooden items.

I haven't used all the shelving in my Alexander but have taken some pics anyway in case it helps!

My mini monster has just got one of the big shelves in her cage, and the ramp - the platform you can see underneath is the roof of a Rodipet labyrinth, covered in cork to deaden the noise of midnight tap dancing sessions.


I put a lolly stick fence round the shelf so I could put scatter material on it, but a dowel fence would be good too - I just had lolly sticks to hand!



The little white house on the shelf is the one that comes with the cage, on the advice of members here I blocked the tiny window as someone's large hamster got stuck in his - I just clad the front in lolly sticks.

She's got a sort of rummaging pit right under the shelf, lots of substrate plus tubes and shredded paper bedding.

I wanted to use the long house that comes with the cage under her wheel but it was too high under a 12inch Karlie wheel - I did cut it down a bit but in the end, made her a wooden house from kiln dried pine - although it's not that deep, she prefers this to her labyrinth! The little corner house is the one that came with the cage, decorated up.



I would have used more of the shelves if I hadn't been trying to keep the layout similar to what she had in her previous cage.
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Old 03-10-2017, 11:53 AM   #9
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Oh wow - that cage is so artistic! I wish I could do artistic lol. It looks amazing. Loads of substrate does help reduce the height
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Old 03-11-2017, 04:02 AM   #10
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This is lovely, thank you all so much, you're a mine of information! ��
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