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Old 03-09-2017, 02:49 AM   #41
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Those are quite small for sandbaths I think, but it would probably get used as a toilet

They are ok but you maybe have room for something like a plastic ice cream tub (if you have one). Half fill that with sand and put a bendy bridge ramp up to it. Maybe best to have it on top of the substrate - if it's on the shelf they can kick sand out through the bars.

I would recommend getting a potty litter tray and the sand first - you can add a sand bath later maybe. I found our hammy used the litter tray for both. He pee'd (very carefully) in the very back corner then sat in the front for a wash and even rolled in it a bit.

The enclosed ones can be a pain to take apart and put back together. I had this one which was easy to take in and out and empty and big enough but not too big. You wait to find out where Brian chooses to pee (it's usually a corner of the cage) and then put it there with sand in - and maybe a tiny bit of his pee'd on substrate on top so he knows it's still his pee corner.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Houses-Ha...=hamster+potty

Then you'll get to see if he likes sand or not before giving him an actual sand bath. Our Syrian hated sand lol. It does soak up the pee well though.

If you're looking for a couple of extra basic toys, then bendy bridges are always popular. They can be bent to make a tunnel, a bridge, or a ramp. Putting one over the house door gives a ramp onto the house roof and makes the house dark inside as well.

A couple of these maybe

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trixie-Natu...s=bendy+bridge

These were our hammy's three favourite things

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosewood-Ac...yacinth+tunnel

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosewood-Bo...rainbow+bridge

Large sputnik - hangs from the roof - next to a shelf is best so they can get into it and with some fitch in it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nobby-Sputn...ds=rat+sputnik

Be careful though - it can get expensive buying lots of toys! A couple of bendy bridges and a kitchen roll inner tube and half an egg box would do at first

Any toys you buy need to be checked carefully for sharp bits, splinters or nails sticking out (usually the wood ones). Sharp bits can be snipped off.

They always need something to chew on, like a chew stick as their teeth grow constantly and chewing hard things is the only thing that keeps their teeth the right length or they can grow really long (unlikely to happen as long as there is something to chew).

These whimzee toothbrush chews are loved by hammies - sometimes it's so special they will drag into their house to keep it safe

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Whimzees-To...whimzees+small

You can also stick sunflower or pumpkin seeds between the bristles to make it fun for them - and watch him getting them out.

I wasted a lot of money on rubbish toys that were either too small for a Syrian, dangerous, or fell apart after two days. Most of the things you see sold as hamster toys are only big enough for dwarf hammies really. Rat sized toys are better for Syrians and they can't get stuck in them. It's easy to get carried away looking at all the cute hammy things lol. They all have their own little personalities, and ours was quite laid back and a bit lazy even - he wasn't the slightest bit interested in toys unless they had food stuck on them or were round hides or tunnels to run through. So really they like hidey places, tunnels and lots of substrate, food and their nest. It can make the cage look fun to have something colourful in though. I had one of these

https://www.viovet.co.uk/Small_N_Fur...nimals/c22053/

The wood blocks slide up and down so you can put treats like a nut or pumpkin seed in between them and the bell rings when they eat off if. It's best hung over the shelf I think because the ring at the bottom is quite small - if a hammy got a foot stuck and it was high up they can end up hanging by a broken leg. I had mine higher up so I swapped the ring for a keyring ring which was bigger

Viovet also sell the hyacinth tunnel and the rainbow bridge and bendy bridges as well, plus the chinchilla bathing sand, so getting most things from one place can save on postage. They deliver quite quickly and postage is reasonable but I find it hard to find things on their website sometimes.

Only thing is - you don't want to be changing a lot of things once he moves into the cage as it could stress him while he's settling in. Adding one or two new things is ok but not rearranging the cage. But you can add new things over time and just start with a couple of toys and chew maybe

If you only get one toy I would get one of these - it's big - would fill up a lot of floorspace in the centre and makes a good tunnel to run through and climb over with a natural texture. They can be a bit mucky and dusty when they arrive occasionally and need brushing out a bit - maybe.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trixie-7640...ds=cork+tunnel

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Old 03-09-2017, 02:20 PM   #42
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Hi serendpity

ok iv just looked at the tracking for the barney cage and its says its currently still in MELLE ( germany im guessing) but that was last updated yesturday, so it could be in the uk now lol.

iv ordered alot of things here is my list thanks you to guys lol

Savic play tunnel giant tube Savic Play Tunnel Giant Tube | Great deals on small pet accessories at zooplus!

Trixie natural grass hammock Trixie Natural Grass Hammock for Pets at zooplus

Wicker bride - iv ordered one of each szie, small, medium and large - Wicker Bridge for Small Pets at zooplus

Trixie cork tunnel - Tunnels & Dens: bargain prices at zooplus: Trixie Cork Tunnel

Sputnik hanging den in black.grey Tunnels & Dens: Sputnik Hanging Den | Small pet accessories at zooplus

Rosewood Naturals Dandelion Sticks Treat - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000ZSUD...986871_TE_item

Trixie sand bath - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B006MWP7...986871_TE_item

Rosewood boredom buster - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009EQ7V...986871_TE_item

Bathing sand - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0036768...986871_TE_item

Vitakraft fruit bars - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0002DJR...986871_TE_item

GHamster corner potty - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00178PJ...986871_TE_item

and a 10kg bale of fitch form fitchrecycling

i hope i dont need anything else haha
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Old 03-09-2017, 02:54 PM   #43
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I'd not use the Vitakraft treat sticks They have artificial dyes which aren't good for hamsters,and the ingredients are just as easy to add one at a time as individual treats rather than having to rely on artificially dyed sugar-loaded junk if your main food doesn't have some of them!
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:25 PM   #44
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That's my fault Amity - I said they were ok as a rare occasional treat Charlie used to love those and go crazy for it - he only got one as a rare treat and lived to a ripe old age That particular one isn't too bad although it does have honey in. They've also got the Dandelion sticks which are healthy and sugar-free.

arnie! You sound sorted! The time consuming bit now will be deciding how to set the cage up. It's worth spending a bit of time on that before letting Brian explore, so you're happy with it and don't need to change things afterwards. Also when he's exploring you can see if he has difficulty with using anything or anything being too high or whatever and adjust it before he moves in.

I think he will absolutely love it - you have loads of good hammy things there and the cage isn't going to be too empty.

You could well use at least a third of the bag of Fitch filling the base up, but don't worry, the rest will probably last another 4 to 6 months if you spot clean mainly and only change half the substrate each time.

Not sure where you plan to put the blue Savic tube. I think it comes with chains. It's not good to have hanging chains in the cage, but if you wanted to tie the tube to the bars you could use the chains to do that maybe, as they'd be on the outside and not accessible. I used some sisal string to tie mine on and a cable tie or two. But I already had the sisal string from another toy.

Keep popping back on here when you're setting the cage up if you get stuck and want some ideas, but I think you sound like you have it sussed
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:51 PM   #45
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Hi thank you everyone for all you help and advice, id be lost if i didnt find this forum

as for getting the cage setup once everything arrives, thats where i am 100% going to need your nice ideas as iv come to a dead end now haha.

so if anybiody could give me a few ideas to get me started or recommend anything please throw your ideas at me as i dont have a clue where to start apart from putting the fitch on the floor of the cage haha.

wow, iv just seen this and wondered if you guys would think it would be good for brian seens as they love climbing?

Climbing Frame for Hamsters from Natural Wood | Top deals on small pet accessories at zooplus

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Old 03-09-2017, 06:10 PM   #46
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It's quite small I think, but might be ok. The problem I have with toys like that is where to put them. If you put it on the substrate it could fall over. If you put it on the shelf he could fall off it and off the shelf. I have heard they fall apart rather easily as well, but if you like it, it could be fun - maybe at the back of the shelf or something.

With the toys you've got I think set up could be fairly easy. Sometimes you just need to fiddle around with things a bit. I had my house on the right hand side, the shelf on the left hand side, the wheel next to the shelf at the back and the sputnik next to the shelf at the front, or near the front. The cork log could go in the middle of the cage and maybe partly under the shelf so it's an extra ramp up to the shelf. Sand bath under shelf maybe. Bendy bridge over house door and another one somewhere on the floor of the cage. You could maybe tie the Savic tube along the back of the cage where there'd be a gap (assuming the house is at the front corner - or vice versa). Hammocks are tricky to place sometimes so they can actually get in and out of them. But sometimes just fiddling around with things helps and then you get it right. Thinking about access to things at the same time. I didn't actually use the ladder to the shelf - used a different ramp. It will make things simpler with the ladder as the other things will have to fit round it. Any hard toys, like the sand bath would be better under the shelf really. The hyacinth tunnel could roll off the shelf so would either need to be tied to the bars (I used cable ties) or on top of the substrate.

Although hamsters like climbing sometimes, I think they tend to only to do it to get somewhere lol. ie to reach some food or to try and escape. Generally they're more tunnelers and diggers than climbers. If they do climb they're not very good at getting down again and don't see well and tend to just drop and can hurt themselves. Which is why deep substrate helps as it cushions falls if they monkey bar across the top and drop, and why it's best to have any hard or pointy toys under the shelf. He;ll probably jump out of the other side of the substrate so best to keep that area underneath clear

They like having a shelf to sit on or sit under and running up a ramp to a shelf is easier than climbing so no need for them to climb Some will climb bars, others won't.
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Old 03-09-2017, 07:03 PM   #47
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think il leave buying that climbing frame for now, think brian has enough to explore lol

thats helped me alot thank you i cannot wait for everything to come and i can brgin the adventure of setting it all up.

once it all comes il have come on this forum again and read how you've have advised me and give me the ideas haha. i just wouldnt have a clue on setting things up if it wasnt for you plus he will have his big wheel in his cage now too hehe
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Old 03-10-2017, 12:04 PM   #48
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Looking forward to seeing it I got a lot of help on here too. I was tearing my hair out trying to set a cage up the first time and now it's a bit of an addiction lol.
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Old 03-11-2017, 01:09 PM   #49
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wow i didnt realise all the things iv ordered are so big wow, hope they all fit in the cage haha they are huge

you know the trixie cork tunnel - do you have to wash it out or anytihing before putting it in the cage, inside it looks like it has i dont know wierdy grasses or white stuff
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Old 03-11-2017, 01:10 PM   #50
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these are the last 3 photos i took
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