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Old 01-24-2017, 01:58 PM   #1
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Default Alexander & 28cm Trixie issue.

So, today was cage cleaning day (yay... xD) And I decided to move the Alexander around a bit. So, I decided to take the trixie wheel off the stand and attach it to the bars above one of the wooden shelves. This started off as a brilliant idea because then it left me room to put a nice deep burrow box where the trixie wheel was. I lowered the wooden shelf as far as I could, and it fits, but it's slightly too big, it still moves with Ham-Power, but it's slow so it's rubbing on something, if I move it up, it is resting on the bars and won't move. It's put me in a conundrum really, he needs the wooden shelf for his water bowl so he doesn't kick stuff in it or knock it over while burrowing but I really want him to have a nice deep burrow box for him to go hidey in

Is there any way I could get the wheel to run more smoothly without moving it? I've seen others have 28cm trixies on the shelves of Alexanders with no issues but it won't work for me
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Old 01-24-2017, 02:15 PM   #2
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Default Re: Alexander & 28cm Trixie issue.

Could the stand be put upside down through the bars of the cage then put the wheel back on the stand?
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Old 01-24-2017, 02:21 PM   #3
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Could the stand be put upside down through the bars of the cage then put the wheel back on the stand?
The same issue would still be present that the wheel touches the wood or the bars?
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Old 01-24-2017, 02:24 PM   #4
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Default Re: Alexander & 28cm Trixie issue.

Even if the wheel stand was put in through the bars on the roof of the cage. You could have it a few bars in from the edge.
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Old 01-24-2017, 02:28 PM   #5
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Default Re: Alexander & 28cm Trixie issue.

I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean? Even if the stand was put through the bars it would still be in the exact same place it's in now.
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Old 01-24-2017, 02:43 PM   #6
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Default Re: Alexander & 28cm Trixie issue.

I wouldn't try the upside down thing with the Trixie wheel! Nice thought CMB - when I tried it, the wheel kept falling off the stand. Although my other Trixie wheel was impossible to get the stand off - but it is not secured in any way like the wodent wheel is. It probably wouldn't fit above the shelf if on the stand either.

Lilac dreams I do remember someone on here who had the Trixie wheel above the shelf, with the shelf on the lowest setting. I was never quite sure how it was fixed on but I remember it was a tight squeeze and then she had to give up because it started wobbling.

It's something that has always been tricky about the Alexander - where to put the wheel and keep the nice racetrack 3 shelves. If you take one of the shelves out it basically becomes a taller Barney and you lose the advantage of the three shelves.

If it helps I spent a lot of time working out set ups for an Alexander! Far too much time.

I had two options to have both a large Syrian wheel and a deep digging area.

The first option was to have the wheel centre back, as it sounds like you had before - meaning the substrate there can't be too deep. And then on one end of the cage, under the shelf, fence off the whole width of the cage with a 20cm high bendy stick bridge (so the bridge is just under the shelf and can't be fallen on. Then fill that section very deep with substrate - makes a kind of 15 to 18cm wide, long digging area. I had thought to put cardboard inside the bars round that area to hold the substrate in, but I've found with the 7mm bar spacing you can have it really deep up against the bars and it doesn't fall out.

Another option was to have the wheel under the left hand shelf with the left hand shelf quite high up over it and the other big shelf lower down, with the middle section sloping down between the two - ie split level shelves with a sloping joining platform.

Again the wheel area would need to be low substrate but you could heap it up in the middle of the cage in a big mountain. An alternative version of that option was still have the wheel under the shelf but instead of along the end wall. along the back wall near the left corner (so it's partly under the longer shelf and partly under the joining middle shelf). Then have a digging boxor digging area in the front left corner opposite.

I have another option I would do now if I had an Alexander, but it would mean buying a new wheel. I currently have the 12" Silent Runner (the orange one with the big kidney shaped holes). It is well made and comes with a sturdy metal stand but you can also buy a separate cage mounting kit for about £5 which works very well and keeps the wheel sturdy and stable. Although the Silent Runner would be too tall (35cm tall) on its stand (due to the sloping roof) - if it was screwed to the bars without the stand, the wheel itself would only be 12" (30cm) tall - you could screw it to the bars as high as it would go to make the most of the substrate underneath - although it would still be quite low in that area. At the centre back of the Alexander, between the two long shelves. Although TBH it's not much different from having a Trixie wheel in that position on its stand. You might gain a couple of cm of substrate under the wheel. And again have digging area at one end of the Alexander under the shelves.

I too think the shelves are important in that cage - they provide virtually a full extra level to run around on and lots of shelter under the shelves.

Now I've had the Barney, I think it could work just sloping the substrate up from the centre to one end with it deep at the end of the cage to make a deep area, without fencing it off and it shouldn't fall out of the bars - or you could put cardboard round.

If you were feeling really ambitious you could try another idea I never followed through

Which is to stick perspex around the top of the cage base about 20cm high all round, stick u channels to the top of the perspex and sit the cage in the u channels - giving you a 35 cm (ish) deep base to fill with substrate and still keep the shelves in their normal position (and the wheel centre back).

It actually was going to work out rather expensive in perspex though.

It would look something like this one

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Imac-Plexi-.../dp/B00O4B50N8

Or there's this idea (3rd photo down)

Which is just a melamine deep base with the bars on top (sat in u channels). Only downside is you can't see the tunnels if they dig tunnels in the deep substrate. But I guess you could have three sides melamine and one side perspex.

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Old 01-24-2017, 02:47 PM   #7
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Talking about hanging from bars - I have seen a wodent wheel hung from the top so it sat just in front of the rear joining shelf - but it was quite high up and needed a step up - plus I imagine you couldn't use the top door then. Wodent wheels are good hung upside down but I wouldn't want to try it with a Trixie wheel. Wodent wheels are hard to get hold of now though. Tried to link the photo but it has just linked the Alexander cage - click on photos on the Alexander section, go down to "load more photos" and it's a bit further down, posted by Caroline 28/4/2012.

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I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean? Even if the stand was put through the bars it would still be in the exact same place it's in now.
This picture may help.

The stand base is outside the cage on the roof. Then the rod comes down and the wheel is attached. Because of the slopes of the roof the wheel would away from the side bars so it hangs straight down.

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A platform on the left and on the right of the cage. Wheel in the middle at the back of the cage and a flexi tube leading from one shelf over the wheel to the other platform attached to the bars.
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Old 01-25-2017, 10:27 AM   #9
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Default Re: Alexander & 28cm Trixie issue.

Thank you for the advice everyone I've found a way to have everything in there, it just cost me the use of the front two doors and caused me to change my whole room around so I have access to the top door (Bonus Points: I have WAY more room for more Hamsters now, hehe)

I had to get a different dig box in the end because the other one was too big for this set up. The wheel is in front of the double doors, to the right of it is the dig box & his sand bath, then on the left is his shelf, the underneath shelf house thing, on top of the shelf is his Wooden House and Corner Plywood house and I've had to sacrifice floor toys for hanging toys, but hay-ho! Cloud is very happy with it! Dove straight into the dig box and snuffled around for ages despite it being about 11am in the morning I have a very happy hamster now <3
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Default Re: Alexander & 28cm Trixie issue.

A bit of an after thought. The two shelves either side and the back shelf moved to the front. The wheel at the back where the back shelf used to be.

Having the back shelf at the front would give the hamster and you access to use the two doors at the front for entering and leaving the cage.
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