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Old 11-15-2016, 05:26 PM   #1
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Default Ferplast Mini Duna for Two Russians

Hi! I have two baby russian hamsters (most likely hybrids but possibly campbells?) and they're currently in a ferplast mini duna but I'm wondering if I'll need to add another cage to it when they get bigger?
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Old 11-16-2016, 04:24 AM   #2
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Hello there,

Pairs of hamsters living together have different needs from their cage to a single hamster and a lot of experienced people have found that less space will reduce the risk of fights than a larger cage will because they have less space to fight over.

If they do need a bit more space, I wouldn't go too big and I'd avoid anything with levels or in sections so would look at something like a bin cage or a new cage with one continious level rather than adding to their existing one.
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Old 11-16-2016, 08:18 AM   #3
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Agree with Fluffagrams that an add-on cage could create territorial behaviour. The mini duna is a bit small for a pair. Something like the standard duna multy could be a good upgrade - you could put the base of the mini duna inside it initially, set up as it is now, and add extra substrate around it with new things to explore out to (if that makes sense). It would make the transition easier/keep some familiarity. Then when they are settled in after a few weeks, take the mini duna base out and just put the contents back in the same place, keeping the old substrate.

A cage change could cause them to fall out, but might not. If it does you still have the mini duna to put one of them back into.

Did you have a new cage in mind? Some people like to go very large and set up quite a habitat (eg a detolf/tank which can then be split into two separate tank areas if they need separating). Others find it depends on the hamster as to whether they prefer more or less space.

Generally though, two of everything is recommended for a pair - eg two houses, two wheels, two water bottles, to avoid them getting territorial over things - but they might still share some things as well. And it could be difficult to fit two of everything into a mini duna. A standard duna multy isn't too great an upgrade but gives a good amount of space, and it's not too expensive (about £33 from Porton Aquapet).

Cage Duna Multy

There is also a maxi duna multy which would give a lot of space for enrichment and depth of substrate for digging tunnels and burrowing, but it would need setting up so there isn't too much open space. It's more expensive but with the maxi duna multy you aren't likely to want to upgrade again. The old RSPCA recommendation used to be 70cm by 40cm continuous floorspace (standard duna multy size) for one dwarf hamster and 80cm by 50cm continuous floorspace size for a pair of dwarf hamsters. So technically the standard duna multy could be a bit on the small side for a pair. The maxi duna would be plenty big enough and give scope for large items like cork logs to add to the enrichment.

There are also bins to make bin cages that are about 80cm by 50cm or between the two larger duna tank sizes. Depending on whether you're up for making a bin cage!

This is the maxi duna multy

Cage Maxi Duna Multy

A detolf costs about £40 but needs two lids making out of wood and mesh, and ideally something to stand it on (some people use Ikea lack tables or kallax units for storage). Here's an example of detolf set ups.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ha...msters&imgrc=_

On the fourth row down, second photo from the left is one that has been divided into two (possibly to separate a pair).

There are quite a few cages that are 80cm by 50cm but not many with small bar spacing - and if they are used to a tank style of cage they may settle better into another tank style (similar environment), but that's just my opinion!

The main thing, if you move them, is to keep familiar smells and layout. So keep all the old substrate and transfer it across (on top of new substrate as you'll need extra for a bigger tank/cage). And try and keep house/wheel/toy layout the same or similar. And no platforms or levels (also encourage territorial behaviour) and I believe tubes are avoided for similar reasons - unless it's a tube/tunnel big enough for them both to fit in so one doesn't claim it and guard it! The cork logs have quite large interiors and some bendy stick bridges do as well.

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Old 11-16-2016, 09:25 AM   #4
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Gordy & Derrick have the ferplast duna large which they're happy in:
Cage Duna Large Fun

I've removed the wire mesh middle section though and the tube, since Derrick was a bit agitated about sharing his tube. That stopped any squabbles immediately
There's plenty of space for them to run around and for two houses, two wheels, and some tubes, plus you can fit lots of bedding in for them to burrow in without it spilling out.
It's basically a duna multy when you remove the wire middle bit!
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That's nice they enjoy the Duna fun large It's not something usually thought of for a pair because of the levels. A lower larger floor area would be better really.
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Old 11-16-2016, 12:07 PM   #6
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The Duna Multy would be about the same dimensions,and is much cheaper than the Duna Fun Large if it had to be bought.However,the Alaska cage is a bit bigger(not overwhelmingly so,though!)and is similar in cost.If a second cage were necessary as is the case with pairs more often than you'd think,the Alaska would probably be a better choice.There are other options too though,like a bin cage which is the cheapest of all.
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Old 11-17-2016, 04:01 PM   #7
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The Duna Multy is on offer at Porton Aquatics at the moment...

Cage Duna Multy

I got one as a cage downsize for my ancient and doddery remaining mice recently. It was very, very well packaged and arrived super-fast. Would definitely recommend them as a company.
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Old 11-26-2016, 01:12 PM   #8
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This is their current cage

I was thinking of getting the duna fun or possibly duna fun large since they really like the platform and tubes in their mini duna but I'm not sure if the duna fun large might be too big?

sorry it took me a while to reply I've been super busy with uni
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Platforms are no good for pairs as they will fight over who owns the platform, tubes are also bad as again fights can occur over who owns what tube. Hamsters also tend to nest and store food in tubes, causing issues about cleaning and condensation. There have been some good cage examples mentioned above, and also lots of advice too.
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Platforms are no good for pairs as they will fight over who owns the platform, tubes are also bad as again fights can occur over who owns what tube. Hamsters also tend to nest and store food in tubes, causing issues about cleaning and condensation. There have been some good cage examples mentioned above, and also lots of advice too.
They don't fight over the tubes or platforms but their tubes could easily be removed if they did. They've never tried to use their tubes as nests or food stores, they always keep their nest underneath the platform in a corner and I don't think they have a food store they seem to either just eat from their bowl or keep a few snacks in their pouches??

I was thinking of the duna fun large because there's platforms and tubes for them if they continue to be happy sharing everything but there's still a lot of floor space for if I have to remove the platforms and tubes. If hamsters aren't territorial about sharing tubes/platforms is this something that can start later or do I have nothing to worry about since they're fine now? I've never kept hamsters in pairs before, sorry.

Someone suggested the Alaska cage but my younger brother's hamster was found dead hanging upside down from the top bars of his cage by a broken foot so I'm scared to put them in a cage with that many bars...

Also, how do you tell if hamsters are happy with the space they have?

Sorry I'm asking so many questions.
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