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Old 06-21-2016, 01:23 AM   #1
OldOakTree
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Default Advice needed: Is it ok to change my Hamsters environment?

Hello everybody,

I really need some advice on my little syrian. I rescued him a few months back and when he came he was living in this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ferplast-Ci...hamster+circus

And a tiny wheel, and that's it ☹

I bought two of these cages:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ferplast-Du...s=ferplat+duna

And added those with tubes to his circus cage, and I bought one of these:


https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

and attached that too. He has a large wheel now (about 11 inches) ,a sand pit to dig in, and a digging tower (this thing: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trixie-Larg...=digging+tower). My question is, I have bought a third of the ferplast duna cages (arriving today) and I would like to know if it would be fair to remove the circus tent and replace it with the new ferplast?

He has 2 beds to choose from (one in the circus tent, and one elsewhere) he changes where he sleeps. I would love to be able to chuck the hideous circus tent away, but I'm worried my little hamster would miss it and wonder where it is? The last thing I want to do is upset him and make him feel confused.

Ideally, I'd love to get him one enormous enclosure, because I've read that syrians prefer that to cages attached by tubes? But the same issue remains, would changing his environment upset him?

Any advice on this would be fantastic, thank you
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Old 06-22-2016, 10:12 AM   #2
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Default Re: Advice needed: Is it ok to change my Hamsters environment?

I would return the ferplast and get the Barney cage from Zooplus, then transfer him to that. The cost of that cage when you compare the sizes of the two is ridiculous! I think if you keep his substrate and his toys so it all smells familiar in the long run he'll be happier. Space wise for you the cages you've got connected at the moment must take up a lot of room!

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Old 06-22-2016, 11:44 AM   #3
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Default Re: Advice needed: Is it ok to change my Hamsters environment?

One big open space would be better than lots of small connected cages. Changing his environment may cause him some temporary stress - even for humans moving house can be stressful. But in the long run he would be happier You can make his transition easier by putting toys that he is already familiar with in the new cage, and also substrate/bedding from the old cages.
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:36 PM   #4
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Default Re: Advice needed: Is it ok to change my Hamsters environment?

You could put two Detolf's side by side for a huge cage!It would obviously cost more than a barred cage,but you get a massive amount of space for an extremely reasonable cost,especially if you get Detolf's secondhand.Of course,the only complex DIY you do yourself is sealing the pieces together as well as putting a wood piece on the bottom under the two bases in the center of them(also line with glueless linoleum as this makes it easier to wipe down)as well as making the lid which is extremely simple anyways.The rest is just following instructions to set up the Detolf!
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Old 06-22-2016, 11:52 PM   #5
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Default Re: Advice needed: Is it ok to change my Hamsters environment?

Hi there. Unfortunately the information that they like cages connected by tubes was not quite right. As Alfie Ham says - they do much better with one big cage. Hamsters do like tubes and tunnels, but these can be as toys or accessories inside one big living area, which is more natural for them and allows them to have more freedom of movement and do normal hamstery things, like running around, digging, and even tunneling and burrowing.

The RSPCA used to recommend a minimum floorspace size of approximately 80cm by 50cm for a Syrian hamster. So that's one cage of that size approximately. It's ok to have add-on cages as long as one of them meets the minimum recommended. The German minimum recommended size is 100cm by 50cm. The Barney cage that Alfie Ham mentioned is 100cm by 50cm. It's a great cage - I have it for our Syrian. It would probably take up less space than the three connected ones you have.

You did right to upgrade your hammy from the teeny tiny circus tent!

If you think about it, a cage is their "environment" or world, for most of the time. Within that they need a house/nesting box - ideally dark inside and with enough space to build a big nest in winter to help them keep warm. Enrichment of that environment is what keeps them happy and able to have normal behaviours. So plenty of substrate, floor toys like tubes and tunnels (Syrians do better with rat sized toys really), hidey places, a shelf to sit under or climb on, and different places to go. I have a kind of roof run in my cage which almost gives another level of floorspace.

Zooplus has some excellent hamster cages and they are reasonably priced. As well as the Barney cage, the Alexander cage is good too but costs a bit more.

Great deals on small pet cages at zooplus: Alexander Small Pet Cage

They also sell the Hamster Heaven cheaper than most places. That's about the minimum size cage you'd be wanting for a Syrian.

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The Hamster Heaven is a fun looking cage, but in practice, many owners find the end up removing most of the colourful plastic bits and tubes. Hamsters can block off the tubes and it gets unhygienic and the plastic ladders have a habit of breaking.

I've learned a lot since being on here, and also since owning our Syrian. I had to get him a new house/nesting box at one time so got a big one that doubled up as a shelf - he loved it! He loved the space inside it and built an enormous nest and moved his toilet corner inside it. So I put his litter tray in it and life suddenly got much easier He now has an even bigger house with space for his nest, potty, hoards, and it works really well. They need a dark place to retreat to, and the cage is where they come out at nigth and explore, forage, climb a bit, run in their wheel and so on.

The Germans actually go for huge, all natural cages to make a kind of realistic environment - like some of these detolf set ups (the detolf is an Ikea glass cabinet tipped on its side with the door left off, to make a large tank). They also suggest a minimum of 30cm depth of substrate so hamsters can dig their own tunnels! Most of us don't achieve this - but the more substrate the better. It doesn't end up costing more in substrate because most of it stays clean (especially underneath) and can be recycled.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ha...UIBigB#imgrc=_

Technically you could attach your two current cages to the hamster heaven, but it would not give the same benefit to the hamster as one larger cage like the Barney or Alexander, with everything inside one larger space.

The Barney comes with a good sized house for nesting (I'd recommend putting a bendy bridge tunnel over the door as that makes it nice and dark inside and also makes a ramp so they can climb on top of the house and it then makes another shelf.

A fairly sturdy shelf and ramp (most people paint the wood items with plastikote waterproof petsafe paint) - depending on the hamster. Our hamster only ever wees in his potty. If you give them a litter tray and put it where they have chosen a pee corner, then they tend to use it. Saves on a lot of cleaning! And cleaning stresses hamsters.

You could actually use some of the accessories from your current cages inside a bigger cage and one of them could be good as a play cage for when you're doing clean-outs.

It's good that you'd like to give him one enormous closure and if you have the space there are larger ones than the Barney and Alexander - there's the detolf option for starters! And in fact if your hamster has got used to perspex style cages, he might do better with a tank style.

There's also the living world green eco habitat - but it's expensive. Their largest one is 120cm by 75cm. The medium is a good size too - about 95cm x 55cm.

Living World Green Eco Habitat | Free P&P on orders £29+ at zooplus!

It has 2mm slots on top so the lid could do with meshing. The advantages of the tank styles as well is you can give lots of deep bedding. Some people section off one end of the detolf for digging.

If you don't mind diy there are various Ikea hacks and other diy cage tutorials around, and then you can build as big as you like But it doesn't always work out cheaper.
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Old 06-23-2016, 12:16 AM   #6
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It would be cheaper to get two Detolf's compared to the Living World Eco Green size L,and you'd get even more space.It still looks really nice though,there was a thread mentioning it but I forgot the exact thread and it has over a square meter in floor space while the Living World Eco Green size L is considerably smaller.

This is definitely a scenario where Ikea wins with the pricing!
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Old 06-23-2016, 12:56 AM   #7
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Default Re: Advice needed: Is it ok to change my Hamsters environment?

Just noted you already bought the third Ferplast - not sure where you got it but you could send it back for a refund maybe and use the money towards something else?
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