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Old 07-18-2015, 10:45 AM   #11
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Excellent info from Nancy and seeing your photos does suggest it is what she says, rather than an allergy as it kind of isn't all over.

I'm not sure I'd give him any supplements while he has had medication from the vet as even immune boosters and vitamins are drugs really that could contra-indicate with the vermectin and I don't know how long it stays in the system. When it is out of his system you could try dried echinacea maybe? It's ok for hamsters - Rodipet in Germany sell at as a dried herb for hamsters and it could be a supplement in his feed (if he'll eat it). But I'm no expert on Hamster vitamins and supplements.

It sounds like your vet has made the right decision to treat it as mites, whatever treatment you decide to go for. As for all the wood stuff - that's a tough one, but I think I would just draw a line under it and bin the lot. A fresh start.

I feel for you - I had to have 8 inches chopped off my very long hair when head lice were going round the primary school and we all got them - total nightmare. I couldn't get the nit comb through my hair without it being shorter. We used all the recommended stuff, which didn't work. I ended up using a natural solution and it did work for us (Neem). It has something in which interferes with the lice hormones and stops them breeding and feeding - result - no more eggs, no more lice and also it deters them. It was nice feeling in control of the situation and we also now use an electric robocomb for detection a couple of times a week on little boy - just in case - so it never happens again.

That's not much help really, because mites aren't the same as nits but Nancy seems to know what works. Neem is basically a natural insecticide, so it probably works for mites as well - but like anything, even natural things, it can cause levels of toxicity - I wouldn't use it on a child, just an adult, so probably not suitable for a hamster either. Unless it's a special preparation with doses for hamsters maybe?

I just googled 'Neem for Hamsters' and apparently it reduces incidences of cancer in hamsters! But too much (toxicity) can be poisonous.

What we used to do with little boy, instead of using the neem oil, was put 4 drops of it in a bottle of spray on conditioner - that level is supposed to be ok. Sorry I don't know more about this - it may be that there is a safe formula for hamsters. All I do know is it works by interfering with the breeding and feeding process so basically they die and stop reproducing and eggs hatch and then the hatched ones die and that's that.

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Old 07-18-2015, 11:56 AM   #12
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I would always let the vet decide the Ivermectin dosage Kiwi because although it can be an active ingredient in other products, it can be so easy to overdose and because it affects the central nervous system of the parasites eventually killing them, overdosing this stuff could kill a hamster. Here in the UK we can but Ivermectin in the form of a spot on called Xeno50 mini. Amazon in the UK sell the box of pipettes. It comes with a good dosing chart, for example, it would state, `one drop` for a mouse or a roborovski hamster. Then it would go up to two drops or three drops for a gerbil or a russian dwarf, depending on the weight/size of the hamster/rodent being treated. I only had to use it once on a female mouse who was itching and causing small cuts on her face and shoulders and it worked wonders. It`s the only product I would use over the counter in the UK because I know it`s the next best thing to what the vet uses. It`s the same stuff actually.

In the US you may get various products stating they can be used on kittens or syrian hamsters etc... but most are plant based pyrethrins and not effective. You done the right thing seeking your vets knowledge.

Serendipity is also right about possible reactions when administering drugs or mite treatments, so it might be best to run any food supplements or immune system boosters past your vet first just to be safe. The best food for boosting their energy are raw broccoli, blackcurrants (very high in anti-oxidants) and basically all natural stuff. Bash up some safe nuts and sunflower seeds and make them into a paste as a tasty treat. x
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Old 07-18-2015, 12:44 PM   #13
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You just reminded me that I looked up Brazil nuts for some reason recently and they are excellent for immune boosting.
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Old 07-18-2015, 09:34 PM   #14
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RH the Revolution is only through a Vet and is the choice for Vets in the USA, and Canada for mite treatments on Rodents. The Fipronil Spray is not Ivermectin nor is it Pyrethrins(Both which can be overdosed by even a Vet).

It is the medication used in Frontline which was also a Vet given product until recently when the Frontline company made and OTC version. I was instructed by a small animal Vet to use the Fiproguard spray and would never suggest any product not used by myself via a Vets subscription.

Rodent Mites are always about in my home because we live in a 100 Year old home with hollow walls which wild mice love to live in who have Rodent mites and occasionally climb out of the walls and infest the Hamsters and Guinea Pigs.

The Vet suggested the OTC spray as it is much lower cost then the Revolution, can be also sprayed on their cages and on the carpet about their bins, and I can also safely use it on the cats for flea, and tick protection too.
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Old 07-19-2015, 03:05 AM   #15
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It`s good to know Nancy that you can advise on the various treatments you have used over there because they can be different from what is available here in the UK. x
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Old 07-20-2015, 09:42 AM   #16
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Thank you, everyone, so much for all of the information on mite treatments and immune boosting foods. I'll make sure to treat him to a few of them listed above! I made another post about my poor boy...his fur loss seems to be even worse since the vet visit especially on his underside and he's just as itchy as he ever was. I just don't know...
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Old 06-17-2021, 06:36 PM   #17
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Can I clean my Syrian Hamster's bin cage and plastic toys w Ivermectin and water mix? He's had his 2 shots at the Vet and I threw out all of his wood toys thanks to this forum!!! This is my first post, so please bear with me!!! I've learned sooo much about mites here THANK YOU!!!
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Thanks so much Nancy's Hamsters! What great information. Yes, I thought the hair thining around Kernel's eyes was odd looking & not something I've seen before, but certainly I will absolutely bring it up next Thursday at his next appointment.

As for the Feline Revolution & Fiproguard Flea and tick spray for Kittens and cats...I'd assume these have to be administered by a vet???

I LOVE the wooden piece I have for his cage, but it's becoming a daunting task just thinking about trying to sanitize all of them But thanks for the suggestion about pour on Ivermectin. What kinds of products do you use in your cages now (ceramic, plastic, resin)?
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