baby hamster loose balance please help

[tita]

I have these babies who all in a sudden start dieing I just went to a vet now cause I couldn't stay and the only reason he so is that it could be they feel hot .he inject them antibiotics and he gave me a medicine to give it to them every 15 min he said that what they have is coming from their brain cause one of them continue to walk in circles and the other one lost the balance to walk I will post later cause I have to give them medicine now

[souffle]

I am so sorry about this tita. It must be very hard to see this.
It may be that the babies have some sort of genetic abnormality in the brain which is only affecting them as they become older. If they do not improve I would say that you would have to help them to the bridge.
Pups this age are very vulnerable and this is the commonest age to lose them as they start the weaning process and their bodies are sometimes unable to process food properly.
They may have either a viral or bacterial menigitis which would likely prove fatal. Keep them isolated. Is the mother affected or is she OK.
Check the food and bedding to see that there is nothing toxic in it that they could have eaten.
Hybrid dwarfs are often seen to be affected by these neurological genetic problems which lead to spinning and circling.
My thoughts are with you and the little ones XX

[tita]

Their mother is ok ,she don't seem weak or nothing at all I had her pregnant before this litter about 5 months ago and all her litter were ok cause iIkept 4 from them .But how it come I mean they were 9 in this litter and it started on wednesday afternoon all in a sudden after a woman and her 2 kids come, I just gave them 3 hamsters from the 2nd litter, they were 10 weeks old and I told her that she have to keep them in separate cages and I told her not to breed them cause they are all from the same litter ,but they wanted teddy bear hamsters and dark in color they pointed at these and I told them that I can't give because they are still young ,after I went down and went back to feed them I found one of them dead he didn't show this kind of illness .In the morning I did found another and it continued .I just so these 2 making like this today and I went more crazy .The vet said that it could be a virus that comes from the ear and effect their brains .So could it be from the mating i Did? If so do tell me please cause i feel so broken

[souffle]

Tita I doubt it is anything you did. This does happen and many experienced breeders here in the UK can lose whole litters. Are their tummies bloated at all. This is often a cuase of death in young pups.
I don't think it was anything to do with the visitors - that is just a co-incidience.
Was this a different mating to the mums previous one? It is possible but unusual for the female to contract an infection from the male but she would likely have symptoms.
Is there any way that wild mice or rats could have been in contact with your hamsters or their food or bedding? Visuses and bacteria can be transmitted through these.
With a virus it is touch and go with such small babies. Antibiotics do not kill viruses but the little ones must fight it themselves with their underdeveloped immune systems.
If the dad was a different one from the last litter then he may be the source of a genetic abnormality and I would not use him at stud again. You should not breed this female again either.
Keep up the meds and everything is crossed for you.
PS Ensure the pups are fully hydrated by offering fluids every 30 mins or so.

[tita]

Their tummies is ok even the vet couldn't see nothing wrong He just asked me if I took one hamster which I found dead with me so he could make an autopsy on him but I didn't do so. the litter is from the one I posted in the forum The babies are born.The mother is a Black eyed cream and the male is a Dove banded. Now I remain 3 there is another one with them but he don't show any symptoms yet and the others that are dead I didn't see them doing this kind of thing .I'm giving them a medicine the vet gaved me to dilute in water every 15 min.The food I keep it in a closed plastic container which it is only opened when i feed them and if a rat or a mouse can enter the room it can't enter their cage cause the wire is 1/4 by 1/4 inch and i never so something not normal in the room .the vet said that the only things that he see is or from the heat or a virus from their ears that it goes to their brain but how it doesn't efect both the same symptoms I feel like i wanna shoot myself now

[tita]

one of them just left now on my hands he just looks at me took a deep breath and died with his eyes open

[souffle]

I am sorry titi. I have been there
I am not a vet but I think every 15 minutes is too much if this is like a rehydation fluid. The babies are getting no chance to rest and sleep.
It is very easy to drown such tiny pups when giving them fluids. You could use an artist paintbrush and drop the fluid in or you can use a tiny syringe. You need to go very slow, drop by drop.
I think to be honest that they have bloat and it is very difficult to pull them through this. The falling is a symptom. They may have gas in the bowel and this is making it hard for them to move without pain.
You are doing all you can sweetie and giving them the only chance they have. You may lose them all but you may keep the one pup that seems healthy as he is a fighter.
Hugs to you

[tita]

All i know is that the one who died now wanted to make toilet but it was so hard that it couldn't go out and i helped him and all in a sudden it comes out more like it was stuck in .I'm using a small syringe to give them what the doctor gave me and only one drop at each time now they are sleeping and i guess i will let them sleep and give them again when they wake up Thanks souffle

[souffle]

Do you have any cucumber? They sound dehydrated and blocked up. Can they use the water bottle? Have you seen them use it? Start feeding finely chopped cucumber and watery porridge. You need to stimulate them to toilet as it seems mum has stopped doing it. Use a damp cotton bud and sort of massage over the two vents, quite quickly as if simulating the mothers tongue licking them. They should wee and poop when you do this.
Could they have eaten any bedding like the fluffy stuff or any other stuff?
I hope they make it now we may have some idea with the bowel thing

[tita]

No they can't use it at least i didn,t see them using it ,were should i do the massage with the cotton bud ? were they wee? I don't have cucumber now can i use something else i will go out and get one