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Old 10-07-2022, 10:29 AM   #21
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Default Re: Would it be a little too soon to take a new hamster?

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I remember now about the bar spacing. Never trust a hamster! You've been lucky. Are you sure he wasn't sneaking out at night and then sneaking back in again! Guinea pig cages usually have about 2cm bar spacing and definitely need meshing if it's for a hamster. Anything bigger than 1cm bar spacing they can get out of.

Usually a hamster's raison d'etre is to escape - no matter how large the cage. However I have accidentally left the door open all night before (to my horror) and my hamster didn't leave the cage at all. Some of them are happy in their cage especially when older, And I know he hadn't been out as the cage was high up. But they escape a LOT! Their most active time is at night when you're asleep.

It doesn't matter if the mesh is for chickens or birds - it just needs to be 1cm square mesh. However meshing a cage is not an easy thing to do - and it needs to be done so it's safe and no sharp edges (and it can hurt your fingers a lot).

Not something that could be done too quickly. The other option would be to make a large bin cage instead - but that would mean dealing with mesh at some point as well. And I think it can be hard to find large enough bins.

I definitely wouldn't get another hamster until there's a way to secure the cage bar spacing or an alternative kind of cage (if you found a different cage you could maybe sell the guinea pig cage?). But if you want to mesh the cage then once it's done it's always suitable for any hamster. The mesh needs to go on the inside. If you mesh the outside the hamster can still get through the bars and get trapped under the mesh and cut or hurt themselves (and be difficult to get them out again).

Most hardware stores should sell 1cm square mesh. And if you take the measurements you need, they could even cut it to size so you have all the right size pieces to attach. You attach it with cable ties. Then the fiddly bit is folding the edges under on the mesh so there aren't any sharp cut edges on the inside of the cage.

It is hard still thinking about your hamster at this time and the memories when it's so recent - in time you'll be able to remember the happy bits without feeling sad.

If the vet gave you some stuff to disinfect the cage that would be fine. I still do the soapy thing afterwards to make sure a little crevice hasn't been missed and it's all been washed, not just disinfected. That is the quick easy bit with a sponge. I do it in the bath so I can use the shower head to rinse it all off.

Yes for Syrians you need a 28cm diameter wheel (bigger is ok), rat sized hides and tunnels (pringles tubes make good tunnels ). And a large house. A shoe box house can be a good size - a cardboard one that is. Easy to make out of a shoebox. And big enough to fit a litter tray inside.
He wouldn't have been able to get back it, since he wouldn't been able to climb up again.
No, I mean I really trusted Bogie. When people say "My hamster escaped" I was always thinking how is that even possible. Bogie always came to me, even when he was on the couch or on my bed. All I had to do is just call him and he came or put my hand on the couch or bed.

Bogie was active in the evening and in early morning. At night it was quiet. I know it because I work nightshifts often. He was way less active than my cat was, but then again there were nights when my black cat used to stare at me and I felt something staring at me and all I could see was his eyes. Creeped me out. I couldn't see Bogie at nights at all though.

I am thinking: # this wouldn't probably work, right?
I can't get a new hamster too soon anyways, since I'd want someone to come with me. I'd at least like to know how old my hamster is. I don't know why, but at every vet I've been to I got weird looks when I said I don't know how old Bogie is.
He could've been the oldest hamster in the world without me even knowing about it, but yeah, I had him for 1 year and 2 months, so He could've been 1 year and 4 months the most.

I actually thought Syrian hamster's would definitely be able to climb out of it, so thanks for telling me that. Bogie liked his cage, I'd say. He just wanted to get out at certain times.

When the vet tells me to disinfect the cage, wait for 8 hours and then wash it as carefully as I can I will certainly wash the cage as carefully as I can again.

I'll probably need new wheels if I'll take a dwarf. I don't think the current ones are 28cm.

What I don't understand why is it so difficult to find ( at least over here ) normal hamster cages? Everything is just super small. Why do they sell those at all? Probably my gunea pig cage is too small for gunea pigs.

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Old 10-07-2022, 10:35 AM   #22
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You were incredibly lucky that Bogie didn't escape. It is highly unusual for a hamster to stay in a cage they can easily get out of.

I would not get another hamster until you have meshed this cage. You would feel terrible if a hamster escaped from it and die a slow traumatic death trapped under a floor board, inside a wall or drainage pipe.

In fact, i think it is very irresponsible to keep a hamster in a cage that is not escape proof and hope for the best.
Bogie never escaped from anywhere and stayed near me, even when he was on the couch or on bed, but then again there was never anywhere to really go and I never put him on the floor. I would've probably seen the fastest runner in the world.
Bogie didn't even escape even when the cage was not covered. He didn't even try to. I'd say pretty much all he cared about was food, which is how I also noticed that something is wrong.
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Old 10-07-2022, 02:45 PM   #23
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He wouldn't have been able to get back it, since he wouldn't been able to climb up again.
No, I mean I really trusted Bogie. When people say "My hamster escaped" I was always thinking how is that even possible. Bogie always came to me, even when he was on the couch or on my bed. All I had to do is just call him and he came or put my hand on the couch or bed.

Bogie was active in the evening and in early morning. At night it was quiet. I know it because I work nightshifts often. He was way less active than my cat was, but then again there were nights when my black cat used to stare at me and I felt something staring at me and all I could see was his eyes. Creeped me out. I couldn't see Bogie at nights at all though.

I am thinking: allegro.pl this wouldn't probably work, right?
I can't get a new hamster too soon anyways, since I'd want someone to come with me. I'd at least like to know how old my hamster is. I don't know why, but at every vet I've been to I got weird looks when I said I don't know how old Bogie is.
He could've been the oldest hamster in the world without me even knowing about it, but yeah, I had him for 1 year and 2 months, so He could've been 1 year and 4 months the most.

I actually thought Syrian hamster's would definitely be able to climb out of it, so thanks for telling me that. Bogie liked his cage, I'd say. He just wanted to get out at certain times.

When the vet tells me to disinfect the cage, wait for 8 hours and then wash it as carefully as I can I will certainly wash the cage as carefully as I can again.

I'll probably need new wheels if I'll take a dwarf. I don't think the current ones are 28cm.

What I don't understand why is it so difficult to find ( at least over here ) normal hamster cages? Everything is just super small. Why do they sell those at all? Probably my gunea pig cage is too small for gunea pigs.
No that wouldn't be suitable because it's fabric. "Gauze". A hamster would chew through it and also could ingest the chewed material.

By "mesh" it means metal - strong like cage bars - like this

1cm square mesh - Google Search

I don't mean to be rude but - if you are going to keep another hamster and you ask for advice on here, it is really not a good idea to disagree with us when we answer questions and give advice on welfare and safety and then you just ignore and do something else.

While I fully appreciate what you say - that you trusted Bogie - that is just not a safe or practical approach to hamster care. It is our responsibility to make sure they are in a secure cage and not put them at risk. You can't possibly know a hamster wouldn't just decide to walk out of those bars - no-one can know that. Yes we know our hamsters - yes you might get away with it once or twice. Maybe you have been lucky there. But it's frustrating when we pass on all the welfare advice and you don't take it onboard.

The bar spacing was mentioned a long time ago. It was taking a risk and that is not what hamster welfare is about. Please don't get another hamster until you fully accept what is safe and what isn't.
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Old 10-07-2022, 03:29 PM   #24
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Default Re: Would it be a little too soon to take a new hamster?

Maybe you could get another guinea pig cage and connect it with the one you have and then get two bonded guinea pigs?

I don't think that you understand proper hamster care so a hamster may not be the right pet for you.

It may also be easier to find a good vet who knows about guinea pigs or rabbits.
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Old 10-07-2022, 09:08 PM   #25
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No that wouldn't be suitable because it's fabric. "Gauze". A hamster would chew through it and also could ingest the chewed material.

By "mesh" it means metal - strong like cage bars - like this

1cm square mesh - Google Search

I don't mean to be rude but - if you are going to keep another hamster and you ask for advice on here, it is really not a good idea to disagree with us when we answer questions and give advice on welfare and safety and then you just ignore and do something else.

While I fully appreciate what you say - that you trusted Bogie - that is just not a safe or practical approach to hamster care. It is our responsibility to make sure they are in a secure cage and not put them at risk. You can't possibly know a hamster wouldn't just decide to walk out of those bars - no-one can know that. Yes we know our hamsters - yes you might get away with it once or twice. Maybe you have been lucky there. But it's frustrating when we pass on all the welfare advice and you don't take it onboard.

The bar spacing was mentioned a long time ago. It was taking a risk and that is not what hamster welfare is about. Please don't get another hamster until you fully accept what is safe and what isn't.
I mean Bogie couldn't literally get out even if he wanted to though? He couldn't even reach the bars anyway, as there was not enough bedding and he didn't even try to. Also, his nest was away from corners. He wouldn't have been able to get out since there was no bedding at the edge of the cage.
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