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Old 03-02-2021, 07:16 AM   #21
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I'm really quite appalled and shocked by the whole DIY euthanasia approach!

That anybody would even consider taking this huge risk of seeing their pet suffer is beyond me.

I'm also shocked to learn that some rat breeders keep these gas chambers to reduce the number of rats, unless i totally misread or misunderstood this and i very much hope i did.
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Old 03-02-2021, 07:22 AM   #22
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Some feeder breeders do use them lots yes.

In my case, with pet breeders, it is more because they may have larger numbers of rats so to reduce euthanasia costs with illness/ old age.

Labs use CO2 chambers and they are a humane method if correct. However, it is a lot of responsibility to put on yourself and bluntly speaking, if you only have one or two pets, not a cost effective method.
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Old 03-02-2021, 10:23 AM   #23
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I think it probably breaches section 9 of the animal welfare act as well For pets that is. I don't know about professionals or laboratory or things, but as you say Amethyst, it is not a thing for amateurs and professionals need to ensure it doesn't cause suffering.

That part of the act says those responsible for animals must provide for their five welfare needs, one of which is the need to be protected from pain, suffering, injury and disease.

In fact the vet told me that not having our Robo euthanised would be a welfare issue as she decided he was suffering, even though he didn't appear to be - just by his condition.

When I had not had a hamster euthanised before and didn't like the idea of the injection (I know more now) I also looked up all sorts about home euthanisation - in some detail - and rapidly came to the conclusion that it is not a way to treat a loved, suffering pet, attempting home euthanisation. I did a fair bit of research and it convinced me that the only "humane" way was gas anaesthetic followed by the injection (the injection works very quickly). As if they were going to have an operation - so they are asleep and can't feel pain.

Also if you can imagine the effect on yourself of doing it yourself! And the hamster will sense fear if you are putting them somewhere scary. And know you are there. I think that is worse than saying goodbye and handing them over to a professional. If it helps, the twice I've had to say goodbye they knew and were ready, I am sure.

But you need to feel you trust the vet and are sure that is their usual protocol (anaesthetic first). Or I would go somewhere else. In that way it is as if they have died during an operation in a way, under anaesthetic.

Petite with regard to afterwards. As Ghosts in Snow mentioned - you can either take them home or leave them. At my vets you have to fill in a form if you want to leave them for cremation and opt for single or multiple cremation. The vet then gets the cremation company to phone you, you pay them direct (over the phone usually) and at that stage also you can change the option. A single cremation means the hamster is cremated alone and not with other animals. There are then also options to collect the ashes (taken back to the vets) or to have the cremation place scatter them for you.

The second time I had a hamster pts I couldn't face bringing them home and opted for cremation and time to collect the ashes at a later time. However I didn't ask how much it was! A single cremation (on their own) cost me about 90 and that is for a basic cardboard tube and no special box or urn or anything.

But you can then either scatter or bury the ashes if you still want to bury them somewhere and have a marker.
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Old 03-17-2021, 12:33 PM   #24
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Some feeder breeders do use them lots yes.

Labs use CO2 chambers and they are a humane method if correct. However, it is a lot of responsibility to put on yourself ...
True. Not something I would undertake lightly. Or possibly at all. Taking a pet to the vet would be dead easy. (Sorry.)

I was a vet tech during my chequered past, and euthanised a number of animals, including my own, by injection. They were all good deaths.

But 2 of the 3 pets I've since taken to vets for euthanasia, have jerked and cried out in pain during the procedure. Not a pleasant last moment for them. (Although probably better than the alternative.) I didn't want that to happen again, so did some research on how to give my hammy a good death if necessary.

It would certainly be easier and less fraught to find a vet who would anesthetize them first. Should've had them do that for my cat and dog!

My dwarf, Oreo, died quickly; there wouldn't have been time to arrange euthanasia. I've instructed Bean to do the same. Here's hoping he complies!

Thanks Ria P for introducing this important, though difficult, topic.
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Old 03-17-2021, 03:03 PM   #25
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I'm assuming the not good deaths where they jerked and cried out in pain, were the ones without anaesthesia? I think (but not 100% sure) that the vet protocol in the Uk now is to always use anaesthesia first, but if it is not instructed from the body that instructs vets, there may be some who don't so always best to ask before going to them when a pet is ready to go. And unless they assure you that they always use anaesthesia as a matter of protocol then go somewhere else.

So in Canada is anaesthesia not an option?
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Old 03-21-2021, 10:02 AM   #26
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The cat was in Canada. There's a quick and dirty way to inject "Beauthanol", not using the vein. I wasn't expecting that, and neither was my cat. It was very quick, but not at all pretty. Too be fair, the cat was in bad shape, it might have been very difficult to find a vein. Injecting into her liver may, in the end, have been the least stressful.
My tiny poodle was in California. The guy inserted an iv, which surprised me, but she had teeny veins, so it seemed like he was wanting things to go well. Unfortunately, in his desire to make it quick, he slammed the barbituate in too fast and possibly blew the vein. The opposite of what he was trying to do, but she was teeny and so were her veins.
In my experience, larger animals, like most grown cats and normal sized dogs, do fine with injection euthanasia. I've been "knocked down" with an IV barbituate for surgery, and found it quite, er, relaxing.
Rodents are small. It's probably a good idea to find an experienced rodent vet, when possible, for ALL medical purposes.
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Old 03-21-2021, 11:57 AM   #27
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Where I work, if it's dog or cat we always get IV access before euthanasia and place a catheter to inject through, even if they're in really bad shape. It's far less stressful and painful for them. I wouldn't feel comfortable restraining an animal to be euthanised straight into a vital organ.
Obviously anaesthetic gas is always always our go to before injection for smaller furries.
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