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Old 10-20-2015, 07:32 AM   #1
BijousMom
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Exclamation robo diet help please

Hello some of you may recognize me from my other topic.
I recently acquired 2 baby robos. I am looking for a good base diet that I can
Add to. (Add pellets protein veggies ect) I was recommended 2 diets here in Canada
1. National geographic hamster entree via. Petsmart
Or
2. Sunseed dwarf hamster diet via. Global pets

I am just looking to know which is a healthier base diet for a robo and I do not mind removing things if it will make it an ideal diet.

Thank you in advance for all your help. My self and the babies greatly appreciate it
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Old 10-20-2015, 07:53 AM   #2
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Default Re: robo diet help please

There's not a lot between the two really, the inclusion of bay leaves in the national geographic is a bit of an oddity & I would probably take them out although other than that I wouldn't advise removing anything from a mix. That one has a slightly better GA than the other & the Sunseed has added colours which I always think you're better off without but that's just my personal take on things.
Protein is a bit low in both but if you supplement that shouldn't really be a problem.
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Old 10-21-2015, 05:41 AM   #3
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There's not a lot between the two really, the inclusion of bay leaves in the national geographic is a bit of an oddity & I would probably take them out although other than that I wouldn't advise removing anything from a mix. That one has a slightly better GA than the other & the Sunseed has added colours which I always think you're better off without but that's just my personal take on things.
Protein is a bit low in both but if you supplement that shouldn't really be a problem.
Thank you. I will probably stick with the natural geo then and just remove the bay leaves. I was wondering about them :/ lol
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Old 10-25-2015, 03:14 AM   #4
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Default Re: robo diet help please

Have you looked into Higgins sunburst? It's a high quality mix, offers a lot of a variety and is free of artficial colours and preservatives, etc. For a young robo too, you'll want a higher protein content - up around 19/20% - so protein will need to be boosted.

The problem with Higgins is the higher fat content, so mealworms can't be used here. BUT you do have access to a wide range of lab blocks, so do give thecraftyrat a look and choose the highest protein Harlan Teklad block. The higher the protein content of the lab block, the less we will need to give you a boost thus it allows us to make the mix more seed heavy, and less block heavy :thumbsup:

As a side note, these are come VERY common mistakes I see people make when it comes to constructing diets for their hamsters.

You CANNOT pick things out. This does not make it better in any way - in fact, it makes it worse. The food is calculated with *everything* present in the bag. When you go picking things out, you have no idea of the new GA and you're creating an unbalanced mix as a result - potentially throwing it off into unsafe levels, you'll really have no idea. Whatever's in the mix, stays in the mix. If there's something in there that you don't like, don't buy it and choose another mix that you prefer.

When mixing foods, you NEED to calculate the new GA. This is pretty easy to do, yet so many people don't bother with even trying and can make their hamster sick as a result. I'll give you a few examples to try and show you why calculating the GA is so Important:

Let's say you want to make a 50/50 mix and food 1 is a 13% protein mix! and food 2 is a 18% protein mix, ok?
While food 2 may be suitable on it's own, mixing it with food 1 makes it an unsuitable mix to be fed to your hamster without protein supplementation. Here's how:
13% x 50% = 6.5% (amount of protein food 1 is contributing to your mix)
18% x 50% = 9% (amount of protein food 2 is contributing to your mix)
So in all, by mixing these two together, your new mix is actually only 15.5% protein - so it's still lacking.

Seeing as we'll be mixing foods here, you'll also need to buy a weighing scales as food must be mixed by weight, and NOT volume which is another common mistake made my people contrusting mixed diets for their hamsters.

If you want to pick Higgins sunburst and Harlan Teklad I can help you construct a suitable diet for your robo and tell you the exact GA of the resulting mix.
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Old 10-29-2015, 07:58 AM   #5
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Default Re: robo diet help please

Hi emma,
thank you so much for all of that information. I have look around and sadly havent been able to find higgins I may order some online if i can. If i am able to get the mix i may take you up on the offer to help me construct a good diet for them =)
Sorry for the late reply work has been very crazy
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Old 10-29-2015, 02:41 PM   #6
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Default Re: robo diet help please

No worries at all, sure let me know if you need help and I'll figure something out for you with the mixes that you do have available.
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