what do you get if you put black with cream?

Bunsey · 03-27-2008, 05:51 PM

sorry for all these annoying what if you put X with Y questions, but i just can't trust myself to get it right!

what if you cross hamster A with hamster B?

Hamster A = black-eyed cream carrying cinnie and nothing else
Hamster B = black i think carrying nothing else

am i right in thinking you would get nothign out of that? i.e. you'd just get a bunch of goldens of poor quality?

black would be aa right and the BEC is eePp?

so you'd just get goldens EeaaPp?

what can you put with cream that works, is it just BEC, REC, cinnamon and mink?

Bourne Valley Hams · 03-28-2008, 01:40 AM

Yes, pretty much poor goldens I'm afraid.
The only other colour I can think of that would work is one of the greys which would give you ivory, possibly red-eyed with the cinnamon gene there. But then - I'm no genetics expert!!

nooboo · 03-28-2008, 02:59 AM

problem is you would need to put it to something else carrying cream and other recessives in common.

the goldens would be AaEePp...so lots of nice recessives not much of use so to speak!

if you had someone carrying cream to mate to things get more interesting...as a silver grey carrying cream would give u black eyed ivorys...so to would dark grey, but your cream would then need to carry it...if you can get someone with cream, dark grey cinnie and umbrous together with another with those recessives you get a chance for blue mink...but as you see its all this need for a ton of recessives, easiest colour to get from them is sable, as you just add umbrous, but you would still need cream to be on both sides

oh and remember if the black carried cream and the cream black you still would not get blacks, as black eyed cream masks black! very annoying eh!..think it masks yellow too...

**Spuds Mum** · 03-28-2008, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by nooboo

..think it masks yellow too...

Yes I believe that is why you never get tortoiseshells in a cream or cream combination colour (according to our David Baglin

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nooboo · 03-28-2008, 04:04 AM

then it does :P

my cream knowledge is rather poor, as i dont really want them in this hamstery, had one, who i called refreshingly different, or fresh for short, as he was one cream surrounded at the time by doves and a few blacks :P i only needed cream for my blue minks, so was not something i knew too well, but a little :P

and the fact u dont get cream torts, well that just increases my mistrust of them :P

Bunsey · 03-28-2008, 06:19 AM

hmmm... that's pretty much what i thought. i'll have to bide my time until i can find a suitable girl for him. it's a pain having lots of males and no girls! it's much easier the other way round!

Basia · 03-28-2008, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bunsey

hmmm... that's pretty much what i thought. i'll have to bide my time until i can find a suitable girl for him. it's a pain having lots of males and no girls! it's much easier the other way round!

You definitely have it the right way round! I have ended up not mating 2 of my girls because I just daren't have 4 litters more or less at the same time. You don't have the time constraints with boys because you can mate them for the first time at almost any age.
I'm sure you will find a suitable girl at some point during the summer, there will be a lot of babies arriving in the next few months. :P

Matty Day · 03-28-2008, 06:50 AM

will there be any sh cream satin roans sh carrying lh
or a cream satin sh carrying lh any time soon

Holly · 03-28-2008, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Basia

You definitely have it the right way round! I have ended up not mating 2 of my girls because I just daren't have 4 litters more or less at the same time. You don't have the time constraints with boys because you can mate them for the first time at almost any age.

I'm the same - Andrew Bryan has offered to lend me a stud male for Minnie which I'd love to do to get some really nice SH Sables - but I just can't with Molly, Smartie and (soon) Aero all having litters. I'd also have liked to mate Milly to get some nice SH Creams - I'm going to keep more males than females in the future I think

Matty Day · 03-28-2008, 07:37 AM

it the same with me i defintly going to keep more boys than girls when my numbers stablise around six it will make things easeir im going to keep one boy from each litter wait 8 months then bring in a girl and mate at 12 months only way i can keep 2 lines going

when i get more space and have all my resrictoins lifted im going to be a bit more liberal but not much more