LOL alike minds tend to think alike
However the NHC is not the only hamster association that does the Sable and Mink thing with Umbrous, and to gain Umbrous on any other color doesn't require the parents to be cream related LOL If it did wouldn't the Umbrous gene be more proper being called Sable Golden or Mink Cinnamon? fun question huh? Also if NHC accepts Sable and Mink(which are actually BEC and REC plus the Umbrous gene why do they Not accept Umbrous gene on any other color? It's just so puzzling to me that NHC approves Umbrous only on Cream based hamsters.