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Old 02-24-2007, 04:02 AM   #11
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He is absolutely beautiful

Souffle what gene/s is/are responsible for the band? Can you hazard a guess as to his genetic make up or is that too difficult to do with no other information? (Still trying to get my head around hamster genetics!).
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Banded is a dominant gene so you only need one copy to display a band. A banded hamster could be either BaBa with a double copy of the banded gene. All this hammies babies would be banded. However it could be Baba which would still show as banded because it has one copy of the banded gene and as this is dominant it will still be shown. If this hammy was mated to another Baba hamster then genetically we would expect 75% of the babies to have bands but 25% non banded as they did not get the Ba gene from either parent! If it was mated to a straight coloured hamster then 50% would be banded as it is the luck of the draw if you get the band gene or not.
Black eyed cream is a recessive gene so you need two copies to be cream so this hammy will be ee as he is showing cream. He also has long hair which is another recessive so he is at least eeBabalhlh. He could be carrying a multitude of recessives though so you would not know what you would get if you bred him really.
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One of the curiosities with Cream is this could be a Black hamster but Cream masks ( is epistatic to) Black so to outward appearance phenotype he is a Cream but genetically his genotype could be more Black - do you see why we love hamsters!!!
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Right that makes sense I think, thanks Souffle (apologies for making the thread drift a bit Raul-7 but he's such a striking hamsters and I've just been reading about creams and bands).

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He also has long hair which is another recessive so he is at least eeBabalhlh.
Is there a particular order that all the genes present should be written in?

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One of the curiosities with Cream is this could be a Black hamster but Cream masks ( is epistatic to) Black so to outward appearance phenotype he is a Cream but genetically his genotype could be more Black - do you see why we love hamsters!!!
Just when I thought I was getting it ...does this mean that any cream hamster could have been black but that the cream gene stops it (or might stop it, if cream is recessive)?

Seriously though, it's an incredibly interesting subject that I suspect is going to occupy my thinking - what I think I might do is, when I see a hamster who's colouring grabs my interest, go off and look up what genes are responsible, and whether they are dominant/recessive etc. That way it might start to stick in my mind.
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Cream is such a great colour to work with and is the base for so many of the other hamster colours you can never go wrong developing a good Cream line in your hamstery
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It is normally written as colour first then pattern then coat type. There are so many different combinations that is is very fascinating. Then just when you think you have got it up pops another complexity!! Its the same with humans and all creatures and that is what makes us all so unique
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He is absolutely gorgeous - I would love a long-haired hamster.
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It is normally written as colour first then pattern then coat type.
Right, I'm filing that piece of info away (somewhere - I think I need a notebook :P )

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He is absolutely gorgeous - I would love a long-haired hamster.
He certainly is gorgeous. I haven't seen many long-haired hamsters (only one in the petshop and a few on line and in books) and certainly none with a coat as beautiful as his.

Are they quite unusual in the pet world on the UK?
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They are not too difficult to come by in the pet market. Males though can look quite spectacular. I sometimes think it should be the other way round Some people with long coat males do not give them wheels as it can tangle the coat and make it raggedy. I personally would not deprive them of a wheel. We will trim a non show long hair to keep it tidy. Some people are allergic to the long haired variety. They do need grooming regularly.
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trimming can also help encourage a nice even skirt to develop if not done in too over-zealous a manner
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