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Old 09-12-2016, 07:33 AM   #21
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You don't have all the answers.
lol! we can agree on that anyway, even after a life time of studying hams I don't imagine I'll have all the answers
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Old 09-12-2016, 07:37 AM   #22
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How about messaging Vectis to see what her mix is?
I could do that. The two choices I'm considering is either Higgins Vita Garden or Vita Kraft vita Nature

Or Burgess
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Old 09-12-2016, 07:39 AM   #23
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lol! we can agree on that anyway, even after a life time of studying hams I don't imagine I'll have all the answers
Thanks for saying that, cause other people has different experiences. Not to disrespect you. I've only had 2 yrs of hammie experience. Learned most everything from the forums. Appreciate all your help

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Old 09-12-2016, 12:59 PM   #24
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Higgins Vita Garden itself does not have molasses in the ingredients.However,Mazuri does.Since Mazuri is what really boosts the protein and makes it even more suitable,Burgess would be the much easier option in this case and also the most suitable solution.

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Or,the ingredients here as well:
White Millet, Wheat, Red Milo, Oats, Corn, Flaked Beans, Flaked Peas, Sunflower Seeds, Peanuts, Yellow Peas, Timothy Hay, Sun-Cured Alfalfa Hay, Soybean Hulls, Soybean Meal, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Dicalcium Phosphate, Flaxseed, Lignin Sulfonate, Salt, Soybean Oil, Algae Meal, Hemicellulose Extract, DL-Methionine, L-Lysine, Choline Chloride, Mixed Tocopherols (preservative), Potassium Chloride, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Niacin, Folic Acid, Biotin, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Zinc Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Calcium Iodate, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Sodium Selenite, Cobalt Carbonate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Casei Fermentation Product.

There is no added sugar in this food,but there will always be natural sugar in every single food out there due to photosynthesis.It is absolutely impossible to entirely remove sugar from diets,however I do personally prefer avoiding artificial sweeteners and artificial ingredients in general.

I wouldn't say VitaNature is necessarily diabetes approved,as it contains fruit which if given every single day could produce too much sugar.It also doesn't have enough protein to be suitable on its own,which makes it inferior to Burgess.

Burgess would be the easiest option of all,since you only need Burgess and no extra foods for protein.You can definitely add more foods as treats for extra variety though!
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Old 09-12-2016, 01:49 PM   #25
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I would supplement Vita Garden or Vita Nature with Mazuri lab blocks. That must have been alot of work typing all those ingredients So Burgess doesn't have any added sugars? I'm guessing not?

Just talked to exotic vet but we're more concerned about the mites & cost for diabetes test that I forgot to ask about sunflower seeds

But she is calling back with more info on money, so I'll ask her about seeds then.
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Old 09-12-2016, 01:54 PM   #26
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Burgess has no added sugars,which is very good for any hamster even those without diabetes!I didn't type the ingredients since I only had to copy and paste,but anyone who does have to type ingredients for food would definitely have a ton of patience to do all the work involved
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Old 09-12-2016, 01:55 PM   #27
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Burgess is sugar free As in no added sugar or sugary ingredients. So is Hazel Hamster actually but the Burgess is specifically for dwarf hamsters and pieces a better size I think. It might be easier to manage sugar levels going that route, and supplementing with the other seeds mentioned maybe. It's a tough one the diabetes.
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Old 09-12-2016, 02:32 PM   #28
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I just talked to this specialist vet 2x's & I forgot to ask about seeds both calls. Oh well I give up, guess seeds in moderation is the answer?
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Old 09-12-2016, 02:37 PM   #29
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That would be the best solution As long as you're not feeding tons and tons of the seeds which are higher in fat,it will be perfectly fine,and these are definitely healthier treats than just about all storebought treats!

If you do go with Burgess in the end you could still use some of the things in Higgins as treats to add variety,plus that way you wouldn't really be wasting the food you do have already.
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Old 09-12-2016, 02:48 PM   #30
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Sounds like a plan Amity, thanks everyone
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