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Old 05-15-2012, 04:59 AM   #11
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im Not supporting what they do, but what can one person do? who can stop this?? nobody.. so ide rather give them a decent home than be sat in a shop.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:59 AM   #12
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My entire post was about making it ethical.

If organisations took a real stance on this issue then it could be done ethically.

Put simply - it won't ever stop because there is and always will be a high demand for animals. But if organisations would jump on the band wagon like they have done with puppy farms and battery chickens, that would make a difference.

Very few people in the world just stopped eating chicken and eggs when the battery conditions were exposed. Instead, there were campaigns and grants offered for change.

That was my point.

It's all very well and good having a go at the people who run these things and at pet stores - but I think people should be asking themselves - What are the organisations whose job it is to high light these things and make improvements, actually doing when very few people seem to know anything about it.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:03 AM   #13
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im Not supporting what they do, but what can one person do? who can stop this?? nobody.. so ide rather give them a decent home than be sat in a shop.
Of course it makes a difference. You stop, two more people stop, four more people stop, eight more people stop and before you know it a large portion of the population is against it. The more individuals who take a stand, the more effect it will have.

Someone might come on here thinking that they should probably not buy a pet store hamster - reads what you've put and thinks, "Well, they didn't stop, why should I?". If you said, "Actually, they are awful places, I'll buy my pets from ethical places instead" that person will most likely do the same.

The individuals do have a massive impact - you have an effect on a handful of people, who have an effect on another handful of people and so on. You see what I mean?

You can make a difference, you can save the lives of thousands of hamsters, of thousands of animals by just saying, "no".
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:07 AM   #14
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As far as making it ethical goes - The horrible way most meat is caused is one of the reasons I'm vegetarian. I also only buy free range eggs and am fussy about the source of some of the food I do eat. No, me standing against it alone won't do much, but if others stand with me things might change one day.

One person alone won't do much, but when many stand together they do a lot more. I believe its better to stand against it than stand with it, and thats effectively the choice. Are you with them? If yes, buy from pet stores.
If you're against them the easiest thing to do is to refuse to support them by rescuing unwanted animals or getting hams from NHC breeders instead.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:09 AM   #15
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My entire post was about making it ethical.

If organisations took a real stance on this issue then it could be done ethically.

Put simply - it won't ever stop because there is and always will be a high demand for animals. But if organisations would jump on the band wagon like they have done with puppy farms and battery chickens, that would make a difference.

Very few people in the world just stopped eating chicken and eggs when the battery conditions were exposed. Instead, there were campaigns and grants offered for change.

That was my point.

It's all very well and good having a go at the people who run these things and at pet stores - but I think people should be asking themselves - What are the organisations whose job it is to high light these things and make improvements, actually doing when very few people seem to know anything about it.
Sorry - I didn't get the point (the right one I mean lol) of your post.

There aren't organisations out there to do it which is a major stumbling block for the individuals who want to be proactive in making the changes.

I do think that we can make a difference by not purchasing these animals though. There are 14,046 members here (I know not all are active etc, just using it as an example) - imagine if every member here stopped buying pet store hamsters and got two or three other people do stop buying them too. That could mean 50,000 people who won't buy them. That would make an absolutely massive difference. Certainly if those two or three people then got two or three people to stop buying them.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:18 AM   #16
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Of course it makes a difference. You stop, two more people stop, four more people stop, eight more people stop and before you know it a large portion of the population is against it. The more individuals who take a stand, the more effect it will have.

Someone might come on here thinking that they should probably not buy a pet store hamster - reads what you've put and thinks, "Well, they didn't stop, why should I?". If you said, "Actually, they are awful places, I'll buy my pets from ethical places instead" that person will most likely do the same.

The individuals do have a massive impact - you have an effect on a handful of people, who have an effect on another handful of people and so on. You see what I mean?

You can make a difference, you can save the lives of thousands of hamsters, of thousands of animals by just saying, "no".
i understand what your saying, but people these days i:e parents when kids ask for a pet & they go to pet shop & buy whatever they dont think about where they come from do they?.
im guessing it would be same for guinea pigs?
i got mine from a rescue because P@h doesnt know how to house them properly!
i get all my food ect from p@h and everytime you see people buying pets, & i just feel sorry for them
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:18 AM   #17
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I can see myself getting into huge arguments over this so i'm going to make this my last post on any thread of this nature lol.

Education is key!!

No matter how hard you try - you cannot change everyone's mind. There are people here who take the opinion that it is not the hamsters fault so why boycott pet stores when you could give an innocent animal a loving home.

There are people here who disagree and say buying from pet stores is supporting rodent mills.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and debating back and forth between the two is in my opinion, pointless.

My opinion is that boycotting pet stores is a pointless act.
Education is proven to make changes.

Since joining this forum I have learnt SO much and had a million ideas that could be out there right now.

Ideas on how to educate people on things such as these issues.
If I can have these ideas, why don't organisations whose jobs it is to do this - actually do it?

I feel that it is the organisations entrusted with the job of spreading awareness and education of these issues - who are letting us down.

We've all seen things about puppy farms, about battery hens, about pigs in tiny cages. But how many of us have seen the same information through mass media, about hamsters?

Boycotting didn't give pigs and chickens better living conditions -

Education did.
Campaigns did.
Government grants did.

Education is key and the organisations we entrust with that job are letting us down to the point where people in forums are reduced to doing their job for them.

Rodent mills should in my opinion stay. Just like sheep farms, chicken farms, cattle farms, pig farms etc have all stayed - because they all serve a purpose.

However - they should stay under the provision that organisations work to make them ethical, through education, just like has been done with chickens and pigs.

That's my 2c worth - I am now banning myself from making any further comments.

Peace too all xx
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:22 AM   #18
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I've been educated a lot since joining HC, and I even found a breeder in Ohio! I will never buy from a pet shop again! My current babies are from a shelter

As a side note, I went to the pet shop last night while the BF was at GameStop... There were 12 SYRIAN HAMSTERS LIVING WITH EACH OTHER!!!!!!!! This petshop has larger aquariums where you can stick your hand in and play with the cuties... so of course after playing with the cute dwarfies (by the way...is there such thing as a "Siberian Dwarf??") I noticed these Syrians!! Naturally I was shocked and checked them all out. None had any scratches, but they were so crowded. They looked to be of all ages. One looked extremely pregnant and was waddling. A few of them had poop on their fur I wasn't able to pick any of them up because they were too scared, but I did get to pet a few of them who would let me. I wanted to just adopt them all :/ I will post a picture later today and start a new thread with this as well. The people at the pet shop didn't seem to think there was anything wrong with it :/ Help :/
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:23 AM   #19
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I totally agree with you VD - education is key. But what do you think the education did? Stopped people from buying from buying them, forced those places into change, you can't say one didn't happen without the other. What do you think people are trying to do when they post on here (those against rodent farms)? Trying to educate people so that they will stop. At least that's what I try to do - give people all the information possible, give my opinion on the information (this is a discussion forum...) and try and make people realise that they can make a difference.

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Old 05-15-2012, 05:24 AM   #20
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i can see myself getting into huge arguments over this so i'm going to make this my last post on any thread of this nature lol.

Education is key!!

No matter how hard you try - you cannot change everyone's mind. There are people here who take the opinion that it is not the hamsters fault so why boycott pet stores when you could give an innocent animal a loving home.

There are people here who disagree and say buying from pet stores is supporting rodent mills.

everyone is entitled to their opinion and debating back and forth between the two is in my opinion, pointless.

My opinion is that boycotting pet stores is a pointless act.
Education is proven to make changes.

Since joining this forum i have learnt so much and had a million ideas that could be out there right now.

Ideas on how to educate people on things such as these issues.
If i can have these ideas, why don't organisations whose jobs it is to do this - actually do it?

I feel that it is the organisations entrusted with the job of spreading awareness and education of these issues - who are letting us down.

We've all seen things about puppy farms, about battery hens, about pigs in tiny cages. But how many of us have seen the same information through mass media, about hamsters?

Boycotting didn't give pigs and chickens better living conditions -

education did.
Campaigns did.
Government grants did.

Education is key and the organisations we entrust with that job are letting us down to the point where people in forums are reduced to doing their job for them.

Rodent mills should in my opinion stay. Just like sheep farms, chicken farms, cattle farms, pig farms etc have all stayed - because they all serve a purpose.

However - they should stay under the provision that organisations work to make them ethical, through education, just like has been done with chickens and pigs.

That's my 2c worth - i am now banning myself from making any further comments.

Peace too all xx
i agree!! X
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