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Old 04-15-2015, 02:52 AM   #11
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My major in French Lit is so **** useless to me now, I don't remember much from my 4 years studying it, but I remember aaaaall about the Classic Mythology class, Science of storms and other randoms classes I took, they were by far the most fascinating... I think it's time I go home and think about how I make life decisions

I mean, I know Archaeology is not at all Indiana Jones like, but it must be so interesting! Prehistoricgirl, you have my permission to talk your heart content about it if you so wish, I will be all ears believe me
Love all the Ancient Egyptian archaeology. I love hearing the stories surrounding Archaeology!
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Old 04-15-2015, 04:15 AM   #12
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Well..

Since I'm from and study in Denmark, the prehistoric archaeology is mostly related to the Scandinvian area. In Denmark we have three different programs related to archaeology. There's the prehistoric, the medieval, and the classical archaeology.

The prehistoric, which is what I have a bachelor in, is concerned with the non-historical periods, from the first hominid (humans and relatives of humans closer than chimpanzees) to the viking age period.

So basicly I have had lectures about the Neolitic and Mesolithic (Stone age), Bronze Age, Iron Age and Viking Age. Other than the theorethical knowledge, I have also been on an excavation in Ukraine for 6 weeks, where we learned to dig! and we leared to take samples, measure, draw, use co-ordinates and stuf like that. - But yea, it is nothing like Indiana Jones, though we did find some Bronze Age skeletons, which had experienced a quite dramatic death.

And I'm happy that you find Archaeology exciting, I do as well, and have just been to an exam in religious aspects in the Late Bronze Age and early Iron Age (1100 BC - 500 AD) today. - Though you say that your education in French Lit is usless, I must say, that archaeologists have a hard time finding jobs, in Denmark at least. - therefore I am now taking my masters in Heritage Management.

I hope that answered some of your questions please feel free to ask if you have more questions
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Old 04-17-2015, 09:59 PM   #13
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Wow. You must be really geared in history then! This is so interesting, the Stone age, and the Vikings!! I am awful at asking questions lol my mind just blanks when people ask me to >.< I wonder how it would be, to study these periods over separate areas... Does it make a difference? For example, between Ukraine and Denmark, were there significant changes? :O An excavation site, I would be dying with excitement, what did you dig out?
(oh what do you know, here are my questions!)

It's really hard to do a living out of what you are passionate about, unfortunately But it seems like heritage management kind of branches out from it, what does it consist of, do you study how to restore stuff, or the laws that are preserving it?
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Old 04-20-2015, 10:50 AM   #14
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Haha I will probably go full archaeology geek in this post, I apologize in advance,

Well yes, the periods do change over areas, e.g. in Greece there are litterature as far back as 750 BC (Homer's Illiad and Odyssey), where as in Scandinavian we don't have any written texts before ca. 1000 AD, which should give an indication of how different the societies were back then in the different areas. - When I was in Ukraine, I was excavating a hellenistic 'camp' - we don't have this period in Scandinavia, here the time period would be called pre-roman Iron Age.

The hellenistic period is a bit out of my speciality (since like I wrote, it is not a period we have in Scandinavia), but it is dated to around 330-30 BC, and the findings are also very different from what we find in prehistory archaeology in Denmark.

When I got to Ukraine we had to continue on an excavation that had started the season before, where they had found evidence of a 'camp', which showed itself as a sort of house, but the walls were only 10-30cm tall; and it is believed that they had a sort of tent on top of it. - so obviously we found a lot of stone walls, besides this we found 4 skeletons: 1 of a child, 2 men and 1 unknown. One of the male skeletons were found under a broken wall, where the skull was smashed with a rock and a big (entrance) stone was pushed over him (our specialist said that this happened around the time of death, and might even have been the cause of death). We found a few arrowheads, one right next to/inside the unknown skeleton, and another next to the skull of the child. Besides the (a bit grusome) story with the skeletons, which has been interpreted as an attack on the family/people living there, we found A LOT of ceramics. The ceramics is what we used to date the site. (it gets a lot geeky if I would have to explain it)

Before working on the big excavation we had to do a practice excavation, where we weren't actually supposed to find anything, but it was more to practice the digging, measuring and drawing. - here we happened to find a Bronze Age site, with a small stone structure and again a lot of ceramics. - How I understood it, Ukraine didn't spend a lot of money on archaeology (this was in 2010), I don't know if this has changed since the conflict, but I could imagine that it is not their biggest priority atm. - We did of course uphold the law, that says that you can't bring archaeological heritage out of the country.

Heritage Management is really exciting, and I'm happy to have chosen it, it is much more related to the job market in Denmark, and we have a lot of actual professionals giving lectures.
It is a very interdisciplinary program; we had a course in the museum law, another taught us anthropological, museum, historical and archaeological methods such as archival work and interviews. - we also had more theoretical courses in e.g. the concept of sustainability (social, environmental and economic), also concepts of tangible/intangible and natural/cultural heritage. - atm we have a course in 'heritage project management' and in 'production and communication of heritage'. So it is a widespread program https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeJxPP6-ois (this is my teacher explaining about the program)

Wow that was a long post... sorry but I hoped I answered your questions. Otherwise please ask again or if you have any more questions, I'll be happy to answer them
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Old 04-30-2015, 07:29 AM   #16
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Sorry about not answering sooner PrehistoricGirl, lot of bad stuff going on right now irl :/ Sorry this answer is so lame and short too, I'm just not in a good place right now, very stressed

I find everything you said extremely interesting, and I was wondering if maybe you can recommend good reads or videos on the subject? I know we don't live in the same country, so it might be hard, but I would be really interested to learn more about all of what you said... I wish I could take up again some random classes at my old university, but until I can, reading up on various subjects is all I can do Thank you for taking the time to answer and share what you do, I love it!
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Old 05-06-2015, 12:09 AM   #17
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I'm sorry to hear that I hope it gets better soon, so that you will be less stressed.

As for texts, most of what we read is in english, and then there's some in danish, german and swedish. - We have methodology books such as Carman: Archaeology and heritage or Fairclough: the heritage reader. - we also have texts about the time periods, but these are more journal texts, from e.g. journal of archaeology, American journal of archaeology etc. - since I'm interested in archaeology and religion I would recommend Mike Parker-Pearson's book: The archaeology of death and burial. Is it a great insight into both archaeology and how we have dealt with burial even back to the neanderthals, and the book is not too hard to understand even with very little knowledge into archaeology.

If you have a specific area of interest, I could recommend some more texts, as for videos, we haven't really used that in my education, only the hollywood ones, where we then went over what was historically incorrect about them, nevertheless, they are still quite entertaining
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:26 PM   #18
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Hey there Prehistoric Girl! =) I saw the sustainable heritage management bit and I'm interested too. =) I dropped out of university due to lack of funds (university is really expensive here and I couldn't take any more loans) but my major in Sustainability Studies will always be close to my heart and I'm thinking of going back for a straight up Incremental Science degree even though I like working directly with people more it looks better over here if you have a Bachelors of Science as opposed to a Bachelors of Arts. I'm interested in looking up more info on your current and past degree and hearing more about your experiences! I'm guessing a lot of very culturally and historically important sites in your country are threatened by the sea level rising and general chaos of climate change?
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My apologies I'm on mobile and *Environmental* autocorrected to Incremental lol.
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Old 05-06-2015, 11:40 PM   #20
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Hi there I really like your name, can see the environmental bit in there. I always forget that university costs money in other countries, since it is free in Denmark, and Danish students even get money from the state when they are studying - very little money, but it is enough that me and my boyfriend, who is also a student, can live and have a small car. Though it does get tight around christmas and such, so we do have small jobs once in a while.

Sadly there is no bachelor in sustainable heritage management in Denmark at the moment, I really think that it would have been great to have.
My degrees are that I have a bachelor in prehistoric archaeology with a minor in history of religion, this took me 3,5 years - normally a bachelor is only 3 years, but the history of religion demands that I have an original language, which expands the period with a semester. - I chose old norse as my language, since it is related to my interest in the Viking period.
Now I'm almost 1 year into my masters degree, I need 2 more exams this semester, after this I have an internship for a semester and then I must write my master thesis.
In relation to the sustainability bit, it is all 3 types that we work with (Social, environmental and economic), but since we are working with culture, our major focus is on the social sustainability and inclusion.
The courses we have had so far are:
1. concepts and contexts: here we had about a lot of concepts: sustainability, intangible, tangible, industrial heritage, natural and cultural heritage etc.
2. Sources and methods: this courses was mostly for us to be aware of each others backgrounds, and give a basic understanding of different methods such as archaeology, archival research, museum work, interviews and observation.
3. Management and institutional frameworks: this course was related to heritage law, we visited a lot of sites and talked about how it was like running e.g. a world heritage site. then we also worked with the danish museum law and a lot of unesco convention.
4. Heritage project management: here we learn to run a proejct, from the start, making a budget, risk assessment, environmental research, quality and time management etc. we work with hypotheretical projects, mine is the reconstruction of the smaller Buddha in Bamiyan, Afghanistan, so we also have to research construction techniques and a lot of other things.
5. Production and communication of heritage: here we learn how to analyse a site, and heritage in general, such as movies, youtube clips, memorials etc.
6. here we had an elective course, where I chose an archaeology course.

We are around 13 students, with a lot of different backgrounds - we are the first students on this program, so we are a small group, I have heard that more than 42 applied to start at august, but I think there's only room for 30.
but our backgrounds are: archaeology (very different areas of archaeology), art history, visual design, anthropology, history, conservation and law.

We do have a lot of sites that are threathened by the sea levels, and a lot of sites have already been covered, so underwater archaeology is a kinda big thing in Denmark. - we do have a few archaeology professors working on the subject of climate changes, but since we have so many prehistoric sites, and it is the person who wants to build something, that must pay for the initial archaeological excavation, and then the state will pay some aswell, people aren't too keen on protecting all the sites - they think it is a waste of time, since we already have so many inland sites. - this is somewhat true, as many archaeologist don't have time to catalogue and write reports on what they find, so it is just being dug up, but no knowledge is actually being produced on the basis of the findings. (unless it's a 'cool' finding)

But Denmark is a very historical and national country, we try to take care of our past, by using state funding - I haven't really heard that any actual work is being done to prevent the threat of the rising sea level, it is more on the research and awareness that people are discussing atm.

and lol, I was wondering what Incremental Science meant :P

What did Sustainability Studies have as it's focus? or was it more general?
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