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Old 07-02-2020, 11:07 AM   #11
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Default Re: Big but cheap, non barred cages?

Thanks for your advice. I'm hesitant to go for a cage with wood as he does chew wood a lot, so I have a feeling he'd escape from a cage with wood walls. As serendipity said, the multy is out of stock everywhere, so that's not an option either. I'm thinking of making a cage from this bin, so what do yall think? I like doing DIY so adding mesh shouldn't be an issue :)
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Old 07-02-2020, 11:16 AM   #12
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I have that plastic bin as a run for my hamsters. It's a great size, they love burrowing in it.
If you make a lid for it, please do post photos as I would be interested in what you do.
I have never made one for mine as I use it as a run.

Also, if anyone shops at sainsbury's and has nectar points you can get it for free or cheaper

these videos might help give you an idea re it's size. it;s great with wheels on for moving it around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xpx...Rqnido&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrDy...JO-zmU&index=4
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Old 07-02-2020, 11:52 AM   #13
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Default Re: Big but cheap, non barred cages?

It’s a good size- I think the lid could be difficult to mesh. A good sized bin for a bin cage that cuts easily and has a good lid is the 145l really useful box. It has really good floor area 81 c 60. Those are maximum measurements but it is still a very good size and doesn’t slope in too much at the base. It would be an easy one to make. Apparently the plastic cuts without cracking like it does with some bins and the lid has a recess to cut for mesh.
It is a really good depth even if less wide and something that shape can work better than a longer narrower one.

https://www.reallyusefulproducts.co....145_0litre.php
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Old 07-02-2020, 11:54 AM   #14
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Default Re: Big but cheap, non barred cages?

The wood on the Marrakesh is ok actually - not chewable - just very solid smooth sides- nothing he can chew on there. The wood sides are also treated so they’re waterproofed/wipe clean. I agree though that the eco habitat could be chewed where the wood corners are.
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Old 07-03-2020, 06:39 AM   #15
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It’s a good size- I think the lid could be difficult to mesh. A good sized bin for a bin cage that cuts easily and has a good lid is the 145l really useful box. It has really good floor area 81 c 60. Those are maximum measurements but it is still a very good size and doesn’t slope in too much at the base. It would be an easy one to make. Apparently the plastic cuts without cracking like it does with some bins and the lid has a recess to cut for mesh.
It is a really good depth even if less wide and something that shape can work better than a longer narrower one.

https://www.reallyusefulproducts.co....145_0litre.php
That would be a good idea however it's smaller than the cage I've got rn by a fair bit. Thanks for the idea tho :)
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Old 07-03-2020, 06:41 AM   #16
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The wood on the Marrakesh is ok actually - not chewable - just very solid smooth sides- nothing he can chew on there. The wood sides are also treated so they’re waterproofed/wipe clean. I agree though that the eco habitat could be chewed where the wood corners are.
The marrakesh would be good, however I think it's a bit smaller than the Barney and preferably I'd want something the same size as or bigger than it :)
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Old 07-03-2020, 07:08 AM   #17
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I've decided, I'm getting the argos bin as it's the biggest but cheapest, and is in stock for me to get today. It's gonna take a lot of effort to cut through the lid, but I have a saw or 2 so hopefully that should cut through it with enough effort lol. What would yall suggest to limit cage moving stress, other than keeping the bedding and cage setup the same (won't be exactly the same as I have a bunch of shelves but it'll be as close as I can get it). Thanks for your suggestions, you've helped me loads :)
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Old 07-03-2020, 09:01 AM   #18
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Sounds good. For moving I’d suggest giving him a transition. When the bin cage is finished, put substrate in it and a few toys - maybe a couple of new things (kitchen roll tubes eg or any new items you intend to put in there. Maybe a cardboard box hide, scatter some food and treats. And one toy from his old cage that smells familiar. Try and make it interesting and pop him in the day before you’re going to move him so he can have a play in it. You may need to do this twice if he freaks out the first time. If he does panic and want to come out again then try again later or next day. He should then explore and get interested. If you have a spare wheel have that in it as well.

Then back to his old cage overnight. The new one will then have some of his scent and be a bit familiar already. So on moving day put him somewhere safe - eg pet carrier or his old cage. I find it helps if you put him in another room in the pet carrier - so they can’t hear/smell you messing with their cage.

Then move everything over from the Barney. Keep all the old substrate from the Barney and spread it on top of the new substrate in the bin. Basically don’t clean anything when you move stuff over - it’ll be fine for a couple of weeks. And try and put everything in the same layout - so house in same position as before - wheel same location as before and toys etc in similar layout. Move the nest and hoard over - and back where they were (in the house or under it eg. You could prune the bottom part of the hoard if it’s huge and the bottom part is going a bit manky - but try and keep most of it.

Adding new items can be good and interest them as long as the old items are in the same place.

I also take the old cage out of the room before moving them into the new one because they can smell it otherwise and can get a bit stressed and want to go back in it. Out of sight out of mind. Then put him in the new cage. It’s then like when you first got him. Leave him alone for a couple of days and don’t clean anything for two weeks. He should be settled by then. If he shows any sign of wanting to come out after the first 2 days then fine to let him have out of cage time but resist the urge to tweak anything. Let him have that two weeks settling time.
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Old 07-03-2020, 12:05 PM   #19
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Sounds good. For moving I’d suggest giving him a transition. When the bin cage is finished, put substrate in it and a few toys - maybe a couple of new things (kitchen roll tubes eg or any new items you intend to put in there. Maybe a cardboard box hide, scatter some food and treats. And one toy from his old cage that smells familiar. Try and make it interesting and pop him in the day before you’re going to move him so he can have a play in it. You may need to do this twice if he freaks out the first time. If he does panic and want to come out again then try again later or next day. He should then explore and get interested. If you have a spare wheel have that in it as well.

Then back to his old cage overnight. The new one will then have some of his scent and be a bit familiar already. So on moving day put him somewhere safe - eg pet carrier or his old cage. I find it helps if you put him in another room in the pet carrier - so they can’t hear/smell you messing with their cage.

Then move everything over from the Barney. Keep all the old substrate from the Barney and spread it on top of the new substrate in the bin. Basically don’t clean anything when you move stuff over - it’ll be fine for a couple of weeks. And try and put everything in the same layout - so house in same position as before - wheel same location as before and toys etc in similar layout. Move the nest and hoard over - and back where they were (in the house or under it eg. You could prune the bottom part of the hoard if it’s huge and the bottom part is going a bit manky - but try and keep most of it.

Adding new items can be good and interest them as long as the old items are in the same place.

I also take the old cage out of the room before moving them into the new one because they can smell it otherwise and can get a bit stressed and want to go back in it. Out of sight out of mind. Then put him in the new cage. It’s then like when you first got him. Leave him alone for a couple of days and don’t clean anything for two weeks. He should be settled by then. If he shows any sign of wanting to come out after the first 2 days then fine to let him have out of cage time but resist the urge to tweak anything. Let him have that two weeks settling time.
Thank you :) I've already meshed the cage so I just have to clean it (it's covered in plastic bits from where I was drilling holes/cutting the plastic lol). I'll be putting him in there instead of letting him out for playtime today then, and put him in the cage permanently tomorrow. I'll let you know how it goes :)

Edit: also, I finally bought some whimzees, so I'll see if he likes them too :)

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Old 07-03-2020, 01:12 PM   #20
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Sounds good. For moving I’d suggest giving him a transition. When the bin cage is finished, put substrate in it and a few toys - maybe a couple of new things (kitchen roll tubes eg or any new items you intend to put in there. Maybe a cardboard box hide, scatter some food and treats. And one toy from his old cage that smells familiar. Try and make it interesting and pop him in the day before you’re going to move him so he can have a play in it. You may need to do this twice if he freaks out the first time. If he does panic and want to come out again then try again later or next day. He should then explore and get interested. If you have a spare wheel have that in it as well.

Then back to his old cage overnight. The new one will then have some of his scent and be a bit familiar already. So on moving day put him somewhere safe - eg pet carrier or his old cage. I find it helps if you put him in another room in the pet carrier - so they can’t hear/smell you messing with their cage.

Then move everything over from the Barney. Keep all the old substrate from the Barney and spread it on top of the new substrate in the bin. Basically don’t clean anything when you move stuff over - it’ll be fine for a couple of weeks. And try and put everything in the same layout - so house in same position as before - wheel same location as before and toys etc in similar layout. Move the nest and hoard over - and back where they were (in the house or under it eg. You could prune the bottom part of the hoard if it’s huge and the bottom part is going a bit manky - but try and keep most of it.

Adding new items can be good and interest them as long as the old items are in the same place.

I also take the old cage out of the room before moving them into the new one because they can smell it otherwise and can get a bit stressed and want to go back in it. Out of sight out of mind. Then put him in the new cage. It’s then like when you first got him. Leave him alone for a couple of days and don’t clean anything for two weeks. He should be settled by then. If he shows any sign of wanting to come out after the first 2 days then fine to let him have out of cage time but resist the urge to tweak anything. Let him have that two weeks settling time.
Does there need to be enough bedding for him to burrow in for the transition? I ran out of bedding and even tho I shredded a roll of toilet paper to make bedding, there's not very much still :/
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