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Old 06-05-2017, 03:07 AM   #1
BethandLil
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Hi all,

I'm new to the world of hamster owning and would really appreciate some feedback on the current setup of my savic hamster heaven cage.

Are there any specific toys my cage is lacking?
Am I getting anything wrong?

So far (48 hours in) Lil has not shown much interest in the two hideaway homes. They have shredded tissue in them.

Is this to be expected? Or is there some way of making them more enticing?

NB: the pictures shows her cage temporarily on a piano stool, this is not where she is usually situated.

Any and all setup advice would be greatly appreciated

Beth
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Old 06-05-2017, 03:12 AM   #2
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Hello, it's looking pretty good so far! I only have a couple suggestions

-I'd fill the base all the way up with bedding. Syrians need at least 12 inches of bedding in order to burrow properly. Plus, tons of bedding is just so much fun!

-Add in a few more toys if you can. A cork tunnel, sea grass hut, and a few more wood huts added in could really improve the overall look and layout. Even just plain boxes can achieve this

-keep in mind that the tube will need to be removed if Lil decides to sleep or cache food in there

Overall it's looking great, just needs some bedding and a couple more toys and you'll be golden
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Old 06-05-2017, 03:25 AM   #3
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Brilliant, thanks so much for the feedback Drago!

I'll get onto making those changes and upload an updated picture soon
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Old 06-05-2017, 03:42 AM   #4
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Brilliant, thanks so much for the feedback Drago!

I'll get onto making those changes and upload an updated picture soon
Forgot to mention, adding some bendy bridges like the one you have would be excellent for stimulation! Even a Sputnik handing from the ceiling (over a shelf) may be enjoyed by Lil. Looking forward to the finished product
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:06 AM   #5
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Hello. Lucky Hammy - it's a lovely cage As Drago says adding a lot more substrate will help - I would put at least 5" in so it's about 1cm below the top of the base. That might sound extravagant, but the idea is that the more substrate you put in, the less often you need to clean the cage. Plus hamsters like digging and burrowing in it and burying hoards in it.

Clean outs are very stressful for them and although pet shops usually advice cleaning out once a week, a lot of people find it's better to just "spot clean" regularly and only do a "big" clean out every 2 to 3 months even. With spot cleaning you just take out the odd handful of soiled litter (which might be not very often at all if your hamster uses the litter tray), and replace it with a handful of new and mix it in so it still smells familiar. They are very aware of changes of scent or everything smelling different. That way you just replace the odd handful occasionally - the bottom half of the substrate usually stays dry. If the litter tray is used just empty and clean out that every 5 days or so and replace the litter (a lot of people use chinchilla bathing sand in litter trays).

So although it will take a lot of substrate initially (you might need 2 or 3 bags of Carefresh if that's what you're using, but there are cheaper similar substrates you can buy in bulk - more about that later ) after that you will use very little for a couple of months or so until you do a clean out. Even then I don't clean everything at the same time, so something always smells familiar to the hamster. So I would do the substrate (I usually chuck the top half, keep the bottom half, or clean half, and mix it in with new, so again you don't use that much at clean out time). A warm damp cloth for the base of the cage is enough. No need to use disinfectant unless there has been illness or disease. Even then only use petsafe disinfectants for hamsters and rinse well to remove any scent afterwards. I then clean the toys a different week and the wheel a different week again. It reduces the stress for them as if all their familiar scent is removed at once it is stressful for them really.

So - re your cage set up Add more substrate. The little pod houses are a bit small for Syrians to nest in (our last Syrian tried to but the top kept popping off when he stuffed it full of bedding!). Ideally they need a bigger house which is sat on top of substrate and open underneath - so it doesn't get sweaty and smelly inside and so they can burrow down in it a bit and get cosy, plus they sometimes like to keep food underneath their nest so they can snack in bed.

A good cheap option is a shoebox. Cut the bottom out and a hole in the front for the door and it makes a house that can sit on top of the substrate and easily replaceable if it gets soiled. The lid can act as a lift-off roof so you can check inside without the nest falling apart - although that might be tricky in your cage as the house would probably need to go under one of the shelves but lifting the lid off isn't essential anyway.

So how do you have deeper substrate and fit a house under the shelf? Well the house can be partly buried in the substrate and you can just scoop out a bit of substrate where the entrance door is. Your hamster will probably move in and build a nest there. The danger of not having a big enough house right now is your hammy may decide to start nesting in the tubes and block them up, which is not very healthy and difficult to clean out, plus makes their behaviour a bit funny sometimes as you have to clean it out more often then - and it can get smelly in the tubes too.

What a lot of people do with that cage is remove one of the plastic shelves and just keep one shelf in - that gives you more cage space to fit in a house and a Syrian sized wheel. The wheel that comes with the cage is too small. I didn't check on the photos whether you have a bigger wheel or not, but if not, you'll need to get something bigger than the 6" wheel the cage comes with. 11" is a popular size for Syrians and it will fit any Syrian even if they grow very large (which some do!)

Some people also remove the tubes and block them off. That's up to you. If she starts blocking them up with bedding I would suggest removing them and blocking off the entrances (I think the cage comes with caps to do that). If she isn't particularly large and fits through them ok and doesn't block them up then they might be ok being left. But some larger Syrians have got stuck in tubes, especially when they have full pouches as they can be quite wide with full pouches.

For now you could just add more substrate and add a cardboard box house. If you don't have a shoe box then something like a tissue box would do as well.

A lot of people get Fitch substrate. It's very similar to Carefresh - it's just recycled food grade paper. Although it doesn't come in colours, it's just off white. It works out a lot cheaper and hammies seem to love it as it's nice and soft. You can get it in 10kg or 20kg bags. The 20kg bag is huge so if storage space is an issue then the 10kg bag might be easier, although the 20kg bag only costs about £3 more than the 10kg bag! It needs to be stored indoors really or it can easily smell damp or go mouldy stored outside or in a garage. I get the 10kg bag and have it in the corner of the room with a throw over it so it looks like a small beanbag chair

You can still mix Carefresh in with it, or sprinkle it on top, if you like the colours. The Fitch is only available online (unless you live in Cheshire and can pick it up from the manufacturers).

https://www.fitchrecycling.co.uk/ani...-delivery.html

One of those used to last me about 6 months in a cage the size of yours, with spot cleaning mainly.
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:14 AM   #6
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I just looked back at your photos and your wheel looks fine I would love to know how you fixed the wheel in as it looks quite clever and in a good position! Also leaving both shelves in for now looks fine as one is high enough to put things underneath and there is space for a house under the shelf or front left as well. A flat roofed house is good (eg a shoe box or there are flat roofed houses available) as it can make an extra platform. If you wanted to buy a wood house, there is a Ferplast Sin Guinea Pig one that has a lift off roof and is a good size for a hamster. It's way too small for a guinea pig and the hamster sized one is way too small for a hamster. Putting a bendy bridge over the door helps reduce the size of the door (which is quite large) and helps the house be dark inside, so it tempts them to nest in there, plus the bendy bridge makes a nice entrance tunnel to the house and also a ramp up to the roof.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ferplast-Gu.../dp/B001N02IHY

It makes a good nesting box. Wood houses can get soiled inside if your hammy pees in the house, so people often paint the inside of wood houses with plastikote pet safe waterproofing paint. But if you know your hammy doesn't pee in his nest it's not essential. I used one for about a year and it didn't get soiled. I also lined it with cardboard from a tissue box once, which protected the inside and our hammy enjoyed shredding bits of cardboard off it for his nest too
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Old 06-05-2017, 06:02 AM   #7
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Wow Serendipity, thanks so much for all your knowledgeable advice!

I will put some more substrate in as soon as I able to without disturbing Lil too much.
And thanks for the tips on alternatives other than carefresh. I'm not actually that keen on the 'confetti' colouring, it's just what came with the cage.

I appreciate the cleaning out tips, I will be sure to follow your advice.

Yes, perhaps the pod houses are a bit small. Either way, she is not going for them. She's currently asleep in the toilet litter!

I've got a tissue box I can put in for now and will get a suitable hideaway for her asap, in fact the one you linked me to looks perfect.

With regards to the big wheel, it is just placed there on a stand in the middle.
With both shelves up, it would only fit in the middle there or across the front on the left hand side, which would block my eager line of sight

Thanks again for all your help. I'll be sure to update you on my improvements soon
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Old 06-05-2017, 06:46 AM   #8
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She probably won't mind extra substrate being added - she might like that Although mixing the current substrate in will help it smell familiar. The little pod houses make nice hideaways but not for nesting in really. Our last Syrian still loved his right to the end - I used to put it in his pet carrier when I stopped using the cage/shelf with the house on, or in his playpen and he always curled up in it.

If she is nesting in the litter tray she probably wants to nest underneath something (eg the shelf) so a house would be ideal

I like your layout - the wheel is in a good place to maximise space, as you say
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:29 AM   #9
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I managed to get Lil out briefly and topped up the substrate a bit, as well as burying a shoebox within it.

The minute Lil got back in, she went straight to the shoebox, had a rearrange in there and has gone straight to sleep

Thanks to your top tips.
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:34 AM   #10
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It looks pretty good to me!

I'd follow the recommendations of Serendipity and Drago.

One thing that I would like to point out is the wooden decoration in the second photo. I noticed that it has metal bells on it. I'd remove this or at least find a way to remove the bells as it would pose a serious health risk if Lil decided to pull the bells off and accidentally swallow them or eat them.
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