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Old 05-20-2017, 01:18 PM   #11
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Default Re: would this cage work??

If I were you, I would try to find a cage that is big enough and will arrive before you get the hamster. You can always return the barney cage. If you are talking about the p@h large wire hamster cage, I think it is too small for anything except a travel cage and the wheel in it is tiny. So, I really would try to find something else.

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Old 05-20-2017, 01:46 PM   #12
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Nothing will arrive in time, hence me looking at cages in petstores. i dont have amazon prime, though they never do one day delivery anyway but yeah there's no chance most of the recommended cages would arrive in time.
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Old 05-20-2017, 01:54 PM   #13
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You could get the savic rat cage from p@h which was suggested earlier in this thread. Or maybe use a suitabmy sized converted aquarium tank? Those can be great.
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Old 05-20-2017, 02:15 PM   #14
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The medium and large pets at home cages aren't big enough either. It is a pain waiting for a cage from Zooplus. The dwarf hamster cage you linked would be a good pet carrier or hospital tank but isn't big enough to keep any species of hamster in permanently. I think you have a few options:

1) Buy a medium sized cage as a starter home (eg 70 to 80cm cage). You would need to keep the hamster in it for a few weeks before upgrading to something bigger. Some people do start them in a smaller cage and then upgrade them. But then you'd have a big Barney cage sitting around. Changing cages is stressful for hamsters so you couldn't just swap the hammy over after a short space of time, or suddenly. Personally I think it's best to put them in a cage and not move them. So one of the other options might be better.

2) Buy a different cage from Amazon (next day delivery) and return the Barney when it comes. If you contact Zooplus they usually ask you to refuse delivery which means it gets sent back without you paying anything to return it.

3) Buy a different cage from Pets at home (you won't get anything bigger than a Hamster Heaven, but it's a good cage). Some branches of Pets at Home stock the Hamster Heaven and the Savic Ruffy mentioned earlier. All the other cages are smaller.

4) Buy a detolf and return the Barney! If you have an Ikea nearby. It costs £40. It's a glass cabinet you tip on it's side to make a long tank. It needs a lid (or two small lids) making out of wood and mesh - but that can be done quickly if necessary.

Here are some examples of detolf Hamster set ups. A lot of people get the Kallax units to stand them on (it needs something to stand on) which also gives storage underneath and looks nice. If you have the space it's a great option. You need a long wall. The advantages are 1) You will not want to upgrade! 2) Any hamster would be happy in one - it's a great cage option. 3) You can have areas of deep bedding for digging.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ha...w=1366&bih=608

The is the detolf itself

DETOLF Glass-door cabinet Black-brown 43x163 cm - IKEA

Here are some options from Amazon with next day delivery (Option 2)

1) The Savic Hamster Sky - similar to the Hamster Heaven but less useless plastic stuff lol. It's recommended to remove the external tubes and block them off (hammies block them up and can get stuck and they are an escape route). Apart from that it's a really good cage with a big front opening door that makes taming easy. You can set it up how you want - you don't need to use the plastic shelves and tubes. Wheel height is limited. An 11" wheel fits fine but a 12" takes up too much space. The Trixie 28cm wheel would fit fine. The 27cm wodent wheel fits well as you can hang it from the top.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Savic-Hamst...Hamster+Heaven

It's not as big as the Barney but it's a good cage (and Savic cages are good quality in my opinion)

You wouldn't want anything smaller than that for a Syrian. A wheel would take up about a quarter of the floorspace ish.

2) Maxi Duna Multy. This is a 100cm tank style cage, so about the same size floor space as the Barney, but less height. A 12" wheel fits though (not the Silent Runner though). But there are other good wheels. It's a lovely cage if you like tank style cages - a bit expensive.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Cages-Pen...axi+Duna+Multy

Here are some examples of set ups in it

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ma...w=1366&bih=608

This is Barley's review of it

Ferplast Maxi Duna
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Old 05-20-2017, 02:25 PM   #15
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Just read your last post I think Amazon still do next day delivery even if you don't have prime - it's just you have to pay the postage. Porton Aquapet also sell the Maxi Duna multy and they have 1 to 2 day delivery.

It's cheaper than Amazon but ends up costing more with the postage added.

Cage Maxi Duna Multy

I wouldn't get any of the Pets at Home own brand cages to be honest.

Another cage you might find in local pet shops is a Zoozone 2 (looks a bit like the maxi duna multy). It's the same size as the maxi duna Multy but has large bar spacing (it's for guinea pigs technically but not big enough for them) - so the bars need meshing. Costs a lot less though at about £50.

You can buy it online here with next day delivery

Hagen ZooZone Large Indoor Guinea Pig / Rabbit Cage - Dark Blue only £62.99

When do you actually get the hamster? You'll need a bit of time to set the cage up possibly (depending which cage it is). Once the hamster is in it's best not to move or disturb things for the first couple of weeks until they have settled in a bit.
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Old 05-20-2017, 03:44 PM   #16
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I forgot to mention I live in ireland so next day delivery on any websites never arrive next day to me, even my friend that lives in the north of ireland (sometimes considered UK on sites) doesn't get his stuff next day :/ I've ordered loads of stuff on amazon most of the time it takes a week next day isn't even an option when i buy stuff and my bf is in belfast which is kinda part of the uk and he buys loads too and he has prime but even with prime his next day delivery takes a week idk why.

The detolf looks cool but I'm awful at DIY I'm afriad I'd never make a lid good enough tbh. Not to mention I don't really have any shelves/cupboards I could put it on top of all I have is the floor I dunno if it'd work for me I do love how cool and spacious it looks though :/

I'm supposed to get the hamster this monday ._. but if I dont get her monday basically she'll be sold on and she'll sell fast since she's a unique grey and white color mostly grey almost black with bright red eyes I've never seen a syrian like her before. It was silly planning on my bf's part but he just thought he was doing a good thing getting me an easy pet but i see now it's not easy xD

I am considering getting a medium sized cage and using it for a while before upgrading her she's small enough for it to be work-able for a while. How long should I wait before the upgrade? At worst I can always sell the medium sized cage on when I'm done with it or keep it as a starter cage for something else or even a storage cage for her not in use toys. It seems the medium cage is the most suitible option, but I will look more into the detolf because it does seem like hamsters love them.
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Old 05-20-2017, 05:09 PM   #17
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Ah I see the problem! There are other members on here from Ireland (North and South) and I think there have been similar delivery issues.

Ok so sounds like it's narrowed down to a smaller cage to start with - or a detolf

This is Erin's Hamster's video on how to make a lid. (Two lids). It could be easy - if you get the hardware store to cut the strips of wood and the mesh to the size you want - then you just need a few of those corner brackets and a stapler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYzDeSBE1hI

You could get one of these to stand it on. Although it adds another £30 to the price.

KALLAX Shelving unit White 42x147 cm - IKEA

But - as it's Sunday tomorrow then it sounds like the other option is going to be better if you're getting the hammy on Monday.

As for how long to leave the hamster before upgrading to the bigger cage - others may advise on that. I'd say at least 3 weeks. Then when moving the hammy to the bigger cage, set it up first and let the hammy play in it a couple of days before moving them in, then play in it again the day before moving them in. Then when you do move them over (you can pop the hammy in the little dwarf cage while you do the changeover) - move ALL the bedding over into the Barney. The Barney is bigger, so fill it with bedding, then sprinkle the old bedding from the other cage on top. Don't clean anything. Move everything from the cage into the Barney cage, as it is and try and keep things in a similar layout. It helps them settle.

I looked online and Pets at Home in Belfast have the Hamster Heaven in stock. So you could get that possibly and cancel the Barney (the Hamster Heaven costs more). Or get something like the pets at home Wire cage in the large size (it's approx 60cm by 40cm which is quite small even for a holiday cage).

You'll need a bigger wheel as well. The cages only come with 6" wheels and that's too small even for a baby syrian. You'd need at least an 8" wheel. The Barney does come with a basic 8" wheel which would do at first and you could attach it inside the pets at home cage when the Barney comes.

Unless you go for the hamster heaven then you'd need to buy a wheel as well and might as well go for an 11" wheel (it's a good size for Syrians).
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Old 05-20-2017, 05:23 PM   #18
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I spoke to some other hamster owners in Ireland on facebook a few of them kept theirs in medium pets at home cages and then waited a while then transferred them into a barney cage they said it should be fine as long as I put the bedding and some of the toys from the medium cage into the barney with her when she moves so it's not as stressfull and feels more homely and their hamsters all lived long lives so I'm a little less worried than I was. I'll definitely buy a big wheel (I was planning on it anyway, as well as a flying saucer disk). I'll just have to be extra careful when moving her to her new home and hopefully she'll enjoy it, im told i should leave her alone for a week or more once she's moved into the new home to let her settle in.
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Old 05-21-2017, 02:36 AM   #19
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That sounds good. Is the medium one the plastic tank style? If so it's the same size as the large wire cage. I suggested the wire so she gets used to bars before going into the barney. A big wheel won't fit in either of those cages so you might need to get an 8" and then upgrade to a bigger one later. Unless you use the wheel that comes with the Barney cage when it arrives - it will attach to bars but don't think you could use it in a plastic tank style.
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Old 05-21-2017, 02:58 AM   #20
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I had a Syrian given to me in a Large Wire cage and whilst it was not an ideal cage for Syrians, I think that one of a similar size, whilst not being ideal for most Syrians will be fine as a temporary solution.

I've found that on occasions new hamsters can find progressing from the smaller tanks they were in as babies and in pet stores to be a little bit stressful so sometimes a more gradual upgrades can work well. I use that method with Chinese and tend to leave them at least 2-3 weeks to settle before upgrading them and then when I do, I'll always add in their old substrate and toys from their old cages so that they feel at home.
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