Register FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Navigation
Front Page
Forum
Gallery
Wiki

Ads by Google


Go Back   Hamster Central > >

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-23-2016, 05:27 PM   #1
HamsterCrazy1
Hamster Pup
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 74
Default Deciding on a cage

Hi! I am trying to figure out what would be the best cage for my new hammy. I am getting a Syrian.

https://www.amazon.com/Ware-Manufact...a_1_17&sr=8-17

https://www.amazon.com/Prevue-Hendry...a_1_24&sr=8-24

Would a Syrian fit in the little houses in the cage above?
Would the purple cage be big enough for a Syrian? I would be taking him/her out a LOT.
Otherwise I am going to make a bin cage.
Also open to other cage suggestions! Taking all of the tips and advice I can get! Thanks in advance!
HamsterCrazy1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2016, 05:33 PM   #2
AmityvilleHams
PM Fluffy for custom title
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 4,040
Default Re: Deciding on a cage

Neither of these are at all appropriate.It doesn't matter if you're taking the hamster out regularly,you need to have a proper sized cage before any of that is even considered and even then it has no value as the hamster will be spending the majority of its time in the cage and the cage absolutely has to be an appropriate size.There is no way around that.
AmityvilleHams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2016, 05:49 PM   #3
HamsterCrazy1
Hamster Pup
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 74
Default Re: Deciding on a cage

OK. I read in the red cage's reviews that some hamsters ended up getting their necks hung up on the wire and then obviously they died. Can you suggest some appropriate cages for me?
HamsterCrazy1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2016, 06:06 PM   #4
AmityvilleHams
PM Fluffy for custom title
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 4,040
Default Re: Deciding on a cage

Trying to find some good Syrian sized cages at the moment,it can be a bit difficult in the US when we have so few really large cages other than DIY!

Speaking of DIY,the Detolf could be made into a Syrian cage by simply attaching two Detolf's by length or width through removing the end on two matching sides of the Detolf and just sealing it where the two meet and put glueless linoleum or something like that over the bottom.That could be a very cheap option plus you could modify it in the future for dwarf hams if you want!
AmityvilleHams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2016, 06:33 PM   #5
HamsterCrazy1
Hamster Pup
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 74
Default Re: Deciding on a cage

I like the Detolf.. can't find a price though?
HamsterCrazy1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2016, 08:17 PM   #6
AmityvilleHams
PM Fluffy for custom title
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 4,040
Default Re: Deciding on a cage

DETOLF Glass-door cabinet - black-brown - IKEA

It is $70 per unit in the US,but at $140 to make it two Detolf's it's about the same cost as a good DIY with acrylic.However,it does mean that you wouldn't have to go through the labor intensive DIY process(not difficult but it could be a consideration).If you can find them secondhand through ebay and similar sites,that can help too,same with finding tables and such to put it on instead of buying those things brand new.
AmityvilleHams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2016, 12:57 AM   #7
Serendipity7000
Hamsters University
 
Serendipity7000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: North of England
Posts: 20,065
Default Re: Deciding on a cage

Hi again Yes the top cage has a small floor area and is far too tall unfortunately and risky. Height can be got round by making a full level but they are much better with a lower cage with a lot more floor area - around 30 to 36" wide by about 20" deep or larger. The second one is better but really is a bit small - especially depthwise. It's really hard to find good sized cages in the US - there are two I know of but they're not cheap. The best of the two, and least expensive is probably the Marchioro Goran - and it is a great cage with a big front opening door. It is good for a Syrian but not a dwarf hamster due to the bar spacing. I saved this link as it was the cheapest place to buy it. It has become very expensive on Amazon and Dr Foster and Smith no longer stock it. It's still about $125 from here though, which isn't cheap.

MARCHIORO GORAN RAT CAGE | Sundown Supply Company

The other one is the Mickey 2 X-Large. I had this cage for our Syrian - but it costs even more at $145 and to be honest it is better for a dwarf hamster than a Syrian - I found it only just big enough as it is quite low for fitting a Syrian sized wheel in (although an 11" wodent wheel fits). Of the two the Goran is a better choice for a Syrian and the Mickey 2XL for a dwarf hammy.

https://www.amazon.com/Lixit-Animal-...vic+Mickey+2XL

Both have great access with a very large front opening door - particularly the Goran which also comes with an excellent rat tube which is a good toy for a syrian (hamster tubes tend to be too small for syrians and large syrians can get stuck in them).

Other options are the detolf, mentioned above - it costs $69.99

DETOLF Glass-door cabinet - black-brown - IKEA

It does need a lid making though. You tip it on it's side without the glass door added, so it makes a tank, but they are not escapeproof without a lid - hamsters can scale wheels, water bottles and all sorts to escape (or just build a mountain of substrate in one corner and climb out!) Most people make two lids rather than one big one, as it's easier to take them on and off and more flexible that way (sometimes you only need to access one half of it). It is a cheap option for a large glass tank style. But if Petco have a $ a gallon sale on it would be cheaper to buy a $40 gallon breeder tank. You can buy a Zilla lid to fit this so no diy (they aren't too expensive). There are a number of tutorials that show how to make a detolf lid without needing lots of diy skills or tools. A few tacks and a stapler and hammer would do. You get pieces of wood cut to size at a hardware store, tack or screw them together with corner joints, get 1cm square mesh cut to size and staple it onto the wood frame. Here are some examples

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=de...GCAX8Q_AUIBigB

Another US member also mentioned this option from Petsmart - the 36" All Living Things reptile terrarium (there are two sizes - the 36" one is just right - the other is too small). It costs $91.99 but does come with a lid that is meshed, which is good. It probably needs buying in store as it says out of stock for delivery every time I look.

All Living Things

There are some storage bins big enough for making a bin cage for a Syrian but they're not easy to find sometimes.

This Sterilite bin is a good size, and would make a good bin cage for a dwarf hamster, but at only 13" tall it would be a bit low for a Syrian as an 11" wheel might not fit easily and you'd be limited to how much depth of substrate you could fit in - they need 4 to 6" ideally but the deeper the better. You can see why bin cages are popular! It's cheap! You just need to buy some mesh and cable ties and there are lots of bin cage tutorials. Cutting the bin is the hard bit - I think people use hot knives or soldering irons.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Sterilite...8604/204725029

Ikea also do this large Samla bin. Which is taller, but slopes in a lot so the floor area isn't really big enough for a Syrian in my opinion. Again this is a good option for a dwarf hamster though and lots of height for deep bedding. It might just be ok for a Syrian but as their wheels and toys are bigger I think it could be a bit cramped really and they need a bit more floor space - you'd probably need lower substrate to fit a syrian sized wheel in. There are much better options for a Syrian (although not as cheap).

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90102971/

You can also sometimes get Christmas Tree bins which are quite long, but not always wide enough. Not sure where you would find those.

Anyway - something to be going on with there! Another, cheaper, cage option, can be to buy something like a guinea pig or ferret cage and mesh the whole cage (they have large bar spacing that a Syrian can escape from) but that isn't an easy job! In my opinion anyway. Easier to make a lid for a detolf or a bin cage.

If the Marchioro Goran cage is affordable it is a brilliant cage and you wouldn't be wanting to upgrade to something bigger as it's a good size, but not as massive or heavy as a 40 gallon tank. And if you don't want any diy. If you don't mind a bit of diy and have space for a detolf that might be a good cheaper option. At a push, the sterilite bin would be ok if you make sure the mesh panels are quite high up to leave enough space for substrate, and have the wheel on the floor of the bin with low substrate at that end. But I think the only wheel that will fit will be the 11" wodent wheel - which is a good wheel for a Syrian unless you end up with a very large syrian! Which until they are fully grown you don't know - large ones sometimes need a 12" wheel. The 11" wodent wheel stands about 12.3" tall on its stand so might fit - but the lid will take up about an inch of the height so it might not work. I think really that isn't an option for a Syrian after all.

Unless you can find a really big bin, it looks like the options for a Syrian are, tank, cage or detolf.

This one is a bit cheaper at $83 - the floor area is a good size but it is very tall (designed for ferrets) with dangerous fall risks. If you could make two full levels for it (ie a piece of wood to cover the whole size of the cage with a cut out for ladder access) then it could be good, but apart from the diy that then adds to the cost in materials. Bar spacing is ok for a Syrian though so no meshing required.

https://www.amazon.com/Kaytee-Habita...ds=ferret+cage

Personally I would get the Goran - if you can afford it - or a detolf.
__________________

Last edited by Serendipity7000; 07-24-2016 at 01:13 AM.
Serendipity7000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2016, 01:58 AM   #8
AmityvilleHams
PM Fluffy for custom title
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 4,040
Default Re: Deciding on a cage

Honestly if you're already spending near $100(though a lot of wire cages which are suitable are even more)you might as well just put in the extra money for a better sized cage which can allow for proper burrowing.

For example,the Mickey 2xl is an extremely overpriced wire cage at almost $150.For around that same price range plus the cost of stand(which would be necessary for any cage that doesn't have a built in stand)you can get one which is more than twice the size.
AmityvilleHams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2016, 03:29 AM   #9
POLAR WHITES
North East Hamstery
 
POLAR WHITES's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Durham
Posts: 1,714
Default Re: Deciding on a cage

How about an fish tank with a mesh lid. They are heavy but are great for viewing not to much to buy so more money for toys and the ground floor area on a 3ft is good for a syrian.
__________________
POLAR WHITES facebook Hamsters North East Bred by Polar Whites
POLAR WHITES is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2016, 03:34 AM   #10
AmityvilleHams
PM Fluffy for custom title
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 4,040
Default Re: Deciding on a cage

The largest tank you can get through the dollar per gallon sale at Petco is a 55 gallon tank,which has less floor space than 80 cm x 50 cm cages would.Even a single Detolf would have more space than that,and would not cost much more especially if you purchase one secondhand.
AmityvilleHams is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
bin, cage, open, syrian, taking, deciding

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Parts of this site powered by vBulletin Mods & Addons from DragonByte Technologies Ltd. (Details)
Copyright 2003-2020, Hobby Solutions
All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:46 AM.