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Old 11-29-2015, 03:55 PM   #1
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Default Which of these cages? Need help!!!

I adopted my new hammy, Twiglet, almost a week ago and I want to get her a nice new home
I have looked around and found these two, which I feel are nice and big (she's a Syrian). I'm not entirely sure which one would be better for her in terms of providing more space, what does everyone think......??


http://m.zooplus.co.uk/shop/small_pe...r_cages/174238

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http://m.zooplus.co.uk/shop/small_pe...er_cages/40878

The Leon is 67cm X 36.5cm (each floor) and as you can see there are three floors. The Alexander is 101cm X 52.5cm, plus the extensive wooden level.

Opinions greatly appreciated
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Old 11-29-2015, 04:27 PM   #2
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Default Re: Which of these cages? Need help!!!

They both look very big. Right now Scarlet has the WARE Chew Proof Critter Cage from amazon.com I don't know how to get a link to it but just click the link to amazon.com and search it. It is about 2 feet wide and 1 foot tall. How big of a wheel are you planning to get her? It is kinda hard to get a decent size wheel in. It is only 12 inches tall. So a 12 inch wheel won't work. She has an 8 1/2 inch wheel. You can probably fit anything under 11 inches in it. It is 12 inches high, 25 inches wide, and 12 inches depth. The one she has is the blue-colored one. Not the green.
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Old 11-29-2015, 05:22 PM   #3
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Hi. The Leon has too small a floor area unfortunately, despite the extra levels. Minumum recommended RSPCA size in the uk is about 80cm by 50cm continuous floor area.

The Alexander would be great - and so would this one (the Barney)

Barney Pet Cage | Great deals at zooplus!

Either the Alexander or Barney would be great for a Syrian. Anything smaller and you'd probably want to upgrade. I have an 80cm cage and wish it was 100cm - it's surprising how much space Syrian wheels, toys and houses take up.
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Old 11-30-2015, 01:12 AM   #4
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I'd go for the Barney too (I have both my Syrians in Barneys!). Personally I think the Alexander has too much stuff in it and the money you'd save against the price of the barney would be better spent getting different accessories to make the cage more enriching for your ham.
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Old 11-30-2015, 05:29 AM   #5
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Another barney vote here. I love it. The house is big enough for a syrian and the base is nice and deep for substrate. The shelf is really handy.

Good luck with whatever you decide. I am sure Twiglet will be a happy hamster!
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Old 11-30-2015, 04:23 PM   #6
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Default Re: Which of these cages? Need help!!!

Awe thanks guys! Really appreciate the advice. I will check out the 'barney' - is everyone in agreement that it would be just as good as the Alexander??
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Old 12-01-2015, 03:28 AM   #7
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I think so - they have different pros and cons. I really wanted the 100cm Alexander for a long time, when the Barney was only 80cm, but then they made the Barney bigger so that's 100cm now. The main difference is, although the Alexander is a little bit taller and has the racetrack shelf set up (which is great), the Barney is a bit easier to fit a syrian sized wheel in and less issues with blocking drops from a height. I would say the Barney is a bit easier to set up and have more options for roof toys and wheel place, but the Alexander is a lovely cage too. To fit a 27 to 29cm wheel in the Alexander you would either need to have one of the shelves very high, or leave the centre one out and put the wheel between the two long shelves. Or as some people do, just have one shelf and the wheel at the other end - if you do that you may as well have the Barney as the only gain is extra height and then it's too tall and needs careful setting up to avoid falls from a height. It's a tricky one - I love the look of the Alexander - but would probably buy the Barney! Because I think I could make best use of floor space and depth of substrate in the Barney (ie by hanging the wheel from the top so it doesn't take up floor space, or standing it on a low platform so there is still substrate underneath it.

If I was setting up an Alexander I would want to keep the racetrack effect with the three shelves so would have one of them higher up, the centre one sloping down to the lower one and have the wheel under the higher one. This would mean having the wheel on the base of the cage and low substrate in that area, and 'fencing off' that area to have deeper substrate in the rest of the cage. So you would lose a bit of deep substrate area, but on the other hand you gain all the extra level up top. Having said that, it is quite a fall from the top of the cage (sometimes they climb to the roof and hang on upside down!) through the gap in the centre and could land on the ladder and hurt themselves, so there is a need for a grass hammock or an extra shelf and maybe a tube up the centre instead of a ladder, to prevent falls. Then the bottom part of the cage can be a bit more inaccessible just using the small front doors.

But there are plenty of people with Alexander cages who love them! If you're creative at set ups it could be a good option. I think the Barney has almost superceded the Alexander though - I think there is only about 4 cm difference in height (the height of 50cm for the Alexander isn't quite accurate - someone gave me the internal measurements once). The Barney is 45cm high (43cm internally). And there are various places you could put the wheel or shelf. There are still some height issues with the Barney though, so substrate needs to be deep and any hard things on the substrate (eg ceramic dishes or bendy bridges) need something over them really - a sputnik or hammock or shelf. So if you like the Alexander I would go for it and just be aware of limited placement for the wheel and the need for possibly another shelf.

The set up on this page gives an idea of what I mean. This owner has added an extra shelf to prevent falls but there is no space for the wheel height with them all level so she has a flying saucer - flying saucers are good but I think it's generally thought a standard wheel is better, with a flying saucer as an extra, as they tend to run better in wheels without a curved back.

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/sh...-advice-please

This set up shows how far the drop is if left in the standard layout - and onto a hard ladder or house.

http://www.petforums.co.uk/threads/c....154798/page-2

Willow Wisp's set up below is good but they did a bit of diy to make a different shaped shelf to go over the top of the wheel

Alexander Cage and 28cm Trixie Wheel.....

I think, being not very good at working out layouts and liking things simple, I would go for a Barney. It's a bit cheaper and easier to set up And is also 100cm.

There's a good review of the Alexander here and I think it is fair to say it was the favourite cage of many - before the 100cm Barney appeared this year.

http://mischiefhams.weebly.com/alexa...ge-review.html

The other pros of the Barney are

1) Access is a bit easier - the same two front doors but the floor of the cage is more accessible through the top.
2) It's not too high and not too low.
3) It comes with a really good sized house for a Syrian
4) The wheel is about 8" as opposed to the usual 6" - you'd still need a bigger wheel but it would do for a week or so if you didn't have a wheel sorted - although it would probably be noisy!
5) Less wood to plastikote
6) More variety and options for set up

And as Bertie says, you could use the £20 difference towards toys like sputniks and tubes for the cage, a hamster potty - or towards the cost of the wheel - the accessories can add up a bit.

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Old 12-01-2015, 06:02 AM   #8
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Last time I looked the Barney was £50 and the Alexander £80, I'd spend the difference on a bigger wheel, a couple of sputniks and maybe a hanging may and some chewy things.
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Old 12-01-2015, 08:31 AM   #9
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I'd probably go for the Barney. It's a great cage!
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