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Old 04-07-2018, 06:18 PM   #1
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Hello Hamster Central,

I’ve been asked to do an presentation for Hamster care via an exotic vets clinic in my area.

In search of studies to back up the hamster food, protein, fat & fiber percentages, that are commonly recommended.

Can anyone point me in the right direction? I’ve found studies on Golden Syrian hamsters, however the information is not definitive in terms of protein percentage ranges to feed.

Note: This post is not about specific hamster food brands. I’m in search of clinical studies (if any) of hamsters fed different percentage of food percentage break downs/and how the %’s are determined.

Thank you in advance.

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Old 04-08-2018, 01:13 AM   #2
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I've read through quite a lot of studies but not a huge amount of really definitive info tbh, it will take me a while to trawl through my bookmarks to see what links I've saved that might be helpful but I'll have a look.
I don't know if you've seen this one but it might be useful.
https://www.nap.edu/read/4758/chapter/7#135
I'll hunt for more....
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Old 04-08-2018, 02:41 AM   #3
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Hi Cypher,

Thanks so much!! I’ve not found an study that’s definitive, in terms of specific break downs of fiber, fat & proteins. I’ve found a few studies of protein “ranges,”
Between 6% - 15%, fed to Syrians, with of course 6% showed high death rate compared to 15%..
Just curious as to how food analyst are determined. Lol

Next Saturday, I’ve been asked to give an hamster care presentation to an exotic vet clinic. I’ve accumulated 500+ pages of hamster care information, although, I can’t find clinical/scientific information regards to nutrional food percentages.
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Old 04-08-2018, 03:41 AM   #4
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Hi Teddy! Lovely to see you back. Found this article which shows how different feeds can lead to particular illnesses and problems caused by different nutritional deficiencies. Not that scientific though

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...als-180961987/

Some info here but again more about individual deficiency effects rather than recommended amounts. All corn diets cause serious health issues and cannibalism

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK231928/

Some interesting research on Vitamin E being essential

https://academic.oup.com/jn/article-...dFrom=fulltext

Some info from the British Hamster Association. They mention the percentages are worked out by nutritionists, but also that these nutritionists may be wrong!

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The Germans have quite a few scientific papers but not sure where to find them. I think it was the University of Stuttgart. These are the search results for papers on Hamsters at U of Stuttgart - a few pages of them - there might be one on nutrition.

https://www.uni-stuttgart.de/en/sear...html?q=Hamster
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Old 04-08-2018, 04:25 AM   #5
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It is difficult to find out how the figures we generally use are worked out tbh, I did find more links but most actually use that first one I posted as a source or they all just link back to one another without giving much more info.
There appears to be very little if any long term research, most of it is done over a relatively short period & the results seem to refer mostly to how many die on one diet & how many grow well on another, basic kind of stuff really & very little on the optimum diet.
This page makes for interesting reading but it's not giving much away in terms of research or sources so not sure if it would be of any help to you really.
Rodent-Info.net - Die Infoseite rund um Kleinsäuger

500 pages! That's going to be some presentation, great work
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I’ve read this study. I find it interesting, the Growth” & “Protien” section.
According to this study, 18% crude protein fed to weaned baby hamsters, is recommended. Weight gain of 2g per week.

What are your thoughts, Cyper & Serendipity?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/N.../#!po=0.574713
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Hi Teddy! Lovely to see you back. Found this article which shows how different feeds can lead to particular illnesses and problems caused by different nutritional deficiencies. Not that scientific though

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...als-180961987/

Some info here but again more about individual deficiency effects rather than recommended amounts. All corn diets cause serious health issues and cannibalism

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK231928/

Some interesting research on Vitamin E being essential

https://academic.oup.com/jn/article-...dFrom=fulltext

Some info from the British Hamster Association. They mention the percentages are worked out by nutritionists, but also that these nutritionists may be wrong!

Welcome to the British Hamster Association Web Site

The Germans have quite a few scientific papers but not sure where to find them. I think it was the University of Stuttgart. These are the search results for papers on Hamsters at U of Stuttgart - a few pages of them - there might be one on nutrition.

https://www.uni-stuttgart.de/en/sear...html?q=Hamster
Hi Sernendipty,

Thank you.. nice to be back. . Thank you for the links I’ll read them
What a challenge it’s been searching for studies that pertain to quantity (%’s) of the food analysis for hamster food. Lol
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I've read that one & I do think it is quite useful in a limited way, most of the studies do seem to focus on protein & growth rates rather than protein levels in adult hamsters but it's a good place to start. I don't remember finding any good studies about protein levels in adult or older hamsters.
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I've read that one & I do think it is quite useful in a limited way, most of the studies do seem to focus on protein & growth rates rather than protein levels in adult hamsters but it's a good place to start. I don't remember finding any good studies about protein levels in adult or older hamsters.
Yes, very limited studies, and long term. I’ve read an study on adult Syrians. Of course I didn’t save it. Lol I’ll look for it. Basically, it was on protein % ‘s and the effects of the kidneys & kidneys weight after hamster passed.
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I found this:


Growth, Kidney Disease, and Longevity of Syrian Hamsters (Mesocricetus auratus) Fed Varying Levels of Protein
Donald B Feldman, Ernest E McConnell, and Joseph J. Knapka
Laboratory Animal Science © 1982 Academic Press

This was an excellent and extremely interesting paper to read. Its beauty is in its simplicity:

Four groups of hamsters that were fed foods with 4 levels of protein throughout their lives: 6%, 12%, 18%, 24%. The scientists monitored the death rates and nephritis (swelling of the kidneys) rates in these groups over time.

1) Hamsters fed on a diet of 6% protein were found to have significantly shorter lifespans than those fed on higher protein diets.

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anyone--6% protein is inadequate at any age. It was assumed that this was because of malnutrition--several of these hamsters died of diseases that they were presumably too weak to fight off. Many of the younger ones died of enteritis (wet tail or something similar to it).

2) Statistically speaking, there was no difference in lifespan between the hamsters fed 12%, 18%, and 24% protein.

As for the other levels, there simply wasn't enough difference in the lifespans of the hamsters to be sure that it wasn't just random chance. They all had similar lifespans regardless of the amount of protein they were fed, even at levels as high as 24%.

Hamsters fed on diets with high levels of protein did not die sooner than those fed lower levels of protein. And actually, of the group of hamsters that lived to be the oldest, half of them (7 out of 13) were from the group fed 24% protein.

3) Hamsters fed on higher protein diets had higher levels of nephritis (kidney swelling). However, this did not contribute to higher death rates (as stated above).

High-protein diets did appear to contribute to kidney swelling. However, this paper did delve into what that actually means for the hamsters:

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"Paradoxically, seven of the 13 hamsters that survived longer than 20 months were those fed the highest level of protein. Most of these animals had moderate to severe nephritis, but renal function apparently was adequate for survival." (pg 617)


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"Furthermore, the blood urea nitrogen was markedly elevated in only a few animals with advanced nephritis, whereas others with comparable lesions had values that fell within the normal range. Consistently higher blood urea nitrogen values in hamsters fed 18% and 24% protein compared to those consuming lower levels of protein at all time points probably reflected the degree of nitrogen metabolism from available protein rather than the inability of the kidney to remove waste products, at least prior to 20 months." (pg 61

Basically, what this is saying is that while these hamsters had kidney swelling, it didn't seem to actually have any effect on kidney function in most cases. Their kidneys were still functioning normally. Furthermore, when blood urea nitrogen was high, it could have been from the simple fact that these animals were eating more protein, rather than their kidneys failing (basically, more goes in, more comes out).

I also thought this point was very interesting:

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"Females fed either 18% or 24% protein had heavier kidneys (p<0.05), than those females fed either 6 or 12% protein (Table 3). The kidneys of females fed 12% protein were in turn heavier (p<0.05) than those females fed 6% protein." (pg 615)

Yes, females with 12% protein had more swollen kidneys. But they still had a much better survival rate than the hamsters fed 6% protein. So kidney swelling does not necessarily equate to an earlier death.

4) Significant differences in kidney size were not noted until 20 months of age or more

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"After adjusting for differences in body weight, significant differences in kidney weights were not evident until the hamsters reached 20 months of age." (615)

This makes me question the recommendation of dropping protein as early as 1 year. If hamsters fed 24% protein (which is way more than we ever recommended for any age) didn't show any significant kidney swelling until 20 months...well, I'm not sure that not reducing protein from a mere 17% - 18% at only 12 months is absolutely essential.

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"Commercial rodent feed is generally used as the basic diet for omnivorous hamsters, sometimes in combination with alfalfa cubes, to provide 16% - 24% protein, 60 - 65% carbohydrates, and 5 - 7% fat."

Biology and Diseases of Hamsters
F. Claire Hankenson and Gerald L. Van Hoosier Jr.
LABORATORY ANIMAL MEDICINE 2nd Edition

"The results of this study indicate that when the protein source is composed of common feed ingredients, the requirement is over 15% of the diet."

Protein Nutrition of the Golden Hamster
Charles A. Banta, Richard G. Warner and James B. Robertson
The Journal of Nutrition 105: 38-45, 1975

"Although the nutritional requirements have not been determined specifically, a pelleted rodent diet that contains approximately 16% protein and 4 - 5% fat is typically provided and appears to proved a nutritionally adequate diet."

Biology and Medicine of Rabbits and Rodents 5th Ed.
John E. Harkness, Patricia V. Turner, Susan VandeWoude & Colette L. Wheler
© 2010 Blackwell Publishing
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