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Old 01-27-2012, 02:25 AM   #21
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What a wonderful recovery your little man made and it has to be said, well done to your vet. I second what has been said as well about chasing this company for selling this unsafe bedding. If your vet could confirm that the bedding was to blame, they should take it off the market with immediate effect if they care about what they sell. I personally wouldn`t buy anything with the brand name Rotastak connected to it. When I was last in our Pets At Home, I saw the safe bed paper shreds and flakes in bags, but I`m also sure I saw the fluffy stuff aswell on the shelves. I don`t get to out shop all that often as it`s in a retail park and need a car to access it.

I use a mixture of paper bedding (it`s actually called "Safebed paper wool", but that is very misleading. They should change the word `wool` on the packaging as it`s actually paper parchment, which is a much better title for this product. I mix this with ripped up plain white toilet paper! Both my syrian and chinese get both.

Pets At Home do well enough once the horse has bolted. They really need to stop selling unsafe products. As has been said, there are many reports of this wool bedding being bad for small animals and a company this size obviously don`t do the same research that hamster owners do. Which seems a bit rediculous. Don`t they have market research people working for them?

So pleased to hear you have had a good outcome from this pompom. x
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Old 01-27-2012, 04:34 AM   #22
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I agree with racing hamster about getting the vet and if possible using this thread (or email) to send to p@h as evidence, or even sending it to the manufacturers as evidence that their safe wooly stuff is in fact not safe, something ham owners have been arguing over for years.

I am so pleased your lil one has made a full recovery, poor lil boy. There's nothing worse than a sick ham. I bet he doesn't know he's famous by having a sticky thread!
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Old 01-27-2012, 04:51 AM   #23
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Please note that this thread is from 2009 and Jam has now passed to the bridge after a long and happy life after his problems with the bedding.
It is important to read the full thread so as not to upset anyone.
This thread has been stickied to illustrate the dangers of fluffy bedding with Pompompom's permission in the hope that it can save other hamsters suffering.
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Old 01-27-2012, 06:23 AM   #24
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So sorry, I didn`t realise the little one had passed on. But if something good comes of his life, he has done the hamster nation proud. x
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Old 01-27-2012, 06:38 AM   #25
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Awww this made me cry because I was so relieved to hear he recovered and then I saw the dates. I'm glad he recovered though, and absolutely fair play to the company for paying the vet bills, you certainly wouldn't get that here.

It's definitely very important to keep highlighting the dangers of not just fluffy bedding, but of taking packaging at it's word without researching - just because a package says its contents are safe and suitable for all hams does NOT mean it's the case! I myself didn't know until my most recent ham that this type of bedding is unsafe, and luckily I never had any problems, but I use toilet paper now!
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Old 01-27-2012, 07:21 AM   #26
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Thank you. It's ok, my little Jam as Souffle says did have a long and happy life. He passed a year ago now last Friday, but his nephews and great nephews live with me still, Whizzbit is pretty much colour wise a replica of dad The Cloud, but is a mini Jam in personality.

When it happened, I wrote to p@H and Rotastack with my personal account and the vet report. Omitting no details of how awful his ordeal was. P@H replied that they were unaware of the dangers, and perhaps Rotastack would consider relabeling the product stating it would only be suitable for larger animals (Like what? elephants? Because no animals sold in P@H should have it).

Rotastack replied that they sell thousands of bags of the product, and that only rarely do they get a report of injury or fatality. Oh that's ok then, as long as only some animals are suffering and that's only the ones they know about.

I now turn vigilante instead, and talk nicely to people I have seen buy it when they get to the carpark, I also hide it behind all the other bedding.
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Old 01-27-2012, 07:44 AM   #27
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That's disgusting, what Rotastack said. If there was a product on ANY human market that 'rarely injured or killed' a human being when 'they sell thousands of the product', there would be UPROAR, and it would immediately taken off the market, but when it's only small fluffies it's fine?? Ugh. Never purchased anything from Rotastack, and now I never, ever will.

Also fair play to you for going vigilante haha! Has anyone ever been rude when you've stopped them in the car park?
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Old 01-27-2012, 08:02 AM   #28
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I agree Boo. If it was a product harming a child or an adult, it would be removed by law. Rotastak say they sell alot of this product with no issues that they know of, but that`s probably because people don`t report it to them or even have the means or are too upset having lost their pet? The fact is, hamsters and other small rodents die as a direct result of coming into contact with their bedding. That should be quite enough to alert them of the danger, even if they don`t see it that way. A decent company would stop manufacturing it or buying it in and change their supplier for one who deals with safe, paper based bedding. Other companies do, why can`t they?

Pets At Home would also do well by removing it from their shelves and stocking the paper beddings only. Why would they continue to sell such a product knowing it`s dangerous? I will also be looking for this product in my own local pet shop now and alerting the owner, who I get on with well, to get rid of it in favour of the Safebed paper bedding that he stocks and sells. These people need to put animals safetly first rather than profit. They would still make money by selling the Safebed, so I don`t know why they are still choosing to sell a product they know and have been told, is dangerous.
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Old 01-27-2012, 08:17 AM   #29
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You're completely right - the proportion of people who will A) identify the 'supposedly safe' bedding as the cause of injury/death and then B) actually report the injury/death and complain to the manufacturer is going to be relatively small compared to the number of animals that are probably actually affected by it. They obviously just don't care, which is quite sad really.
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Old 01-27-2012, 01:39 PM   #30
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This has been going on for years, thirty years ago i knew of the loss of a mother and the whole litter lost limbs and died to this soft bedding.We didnt know as much then as we do now yet nothing has changed...WHY!!!
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