Register FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Navigation
Front Page
Forum
Gallery
Wiki

Ads by Google


Go Back   Hamster Central > Hamster Central Forum Topics > Feeding/Nutrition

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-08-2005, 07:42 PM   #1
SnuggleHam
Former Admin
 
SnuggleHam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Connecticut USA
Posts: 2,590
Default Warning! Bugs In the Following Hamster Feed!

Warning! Bugs In the Following Hamster Feed!



I don’t know how I ever missed this! I went to check on Gerald my Syrian hamster just tonight around 10:00 pm and thought I saw bugs crawling around the inner part of Gerald’s food bowl, When I took it out of the cage there appear to be nothing, until Saw what looked to be a bunch of weevils crawling in the food!



The brand of food I have been giving them is called. Premium Vita-Vittles Gold For Hamsters made by Animal Farm LM. I have been giving this to all my rodents including lab blocks for some time now!



I hurriedly went to check the bag and saw tons of them crawling in the food! This bag is almost gone and I had bought another not that long ago. I thought that perhaps somehow they got in because I’m lazy about re sealing the bags when I scoop out food for them. But just in case I checked the new bag of unopened food (same brand) name and took a fair amount out and sprinkled it on my kitchen counter and found more of these little bugs swarming in an unopened bag!



I'm pretty sure they are weevils as they look like it. If they were mites I’m sure something would have happened to my rodents in the months I have been feeding them the same bag. But this is an outrage! And a newly unopened bag swarming with them!



Tomorrow I am calling PetSmart and the company about this issue.



Here is a picture of the product...

SnuggleHam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2005, 03:02 AM   #2
flogging_molly
Hamster Overlord
 
flogging_molly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Scotland
Posts: 835
Default

:O that is totally disgusting! I hate bugs that would have freaked me out completely!
__________________

Owned by Reuben, Aria. Melody, Henry & Mouse
flogging_molly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2005, 07:21 AM   #3
SnuggleHam
Former Admin
 
SnuggleHam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Connecticut USA
Posts: 2,590
Default

Ick.. its nasty! The bugs don’t freak me out.. I use to run around and catch them all the time when I was a kid. But seeing a bunch of little weevils swarming in my pet’s food is a little unnerving! I called the PetsMart where I bought it from to let them know. That way they could check a bag to see if there are any they currently have that are infested.



I told them I didn’t have the receipt anymore but they said I should just save the weevil-infested bag and bring it in and get my money back or something.



Now.. the bag the food is in doesn’t have a number to call, the only number available is the one to the people who manufacture the bags they come in! But there is a website for www.hartz.com all over it but their calling hours are Monday through Friday, so ill have to call tomorrow.



I’m not sure they are apart of the LM animals farms company, or if they just distribute their products, but ill just have to call them and see who I can talk to about this.
SnuggleHam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2005, 12:05 PM   #4
SnuggleHam
Former Admin
 
SnuggleHam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Connecticut USA
Posts: 2,590
Default Phone call to Hartz, fallow up!!

Well some interesting feedback!



I called up www.hartz.com and was forwarded to a woman on the customer Hot line. And boy was it a “Hot Line” at that! I explained my complaint and how I bought the product and from the start she had quite the attitude with me!



I started to tell her about the weevils in the bag and she started talking over me immediately about how certain humidity will cause that to happen. To clarify I asked how it could just happen from humidity, because the bugs/eggs/larva would have to be in there in the first place. She told me it was a rare occurrence, still talking in a loud annoyed tone toward me.



After we agreed the eggs/larva must be in there first to hatch and humidity cant manifest bugs that were already there, I asked if they had some way of making sure these things don’t happen. She told me it was impossible to keep the bugs out. She made it sound as though they didn’t have any system in place to keep so many bugs out of their feeds.



So I asked her “what would happen if this were rice or oats made for human consumption and the bugs got in there? Would the company just tell me its impossible to keep the bugs out?” Again the angered women started talking in a strong angry tone about how it’s a rare occurrence and these things happen when there is allot of humidity.



She forcefully started to tell me that I could send in the bar codes of the product for a refund. And in the conversation talked over me three times about the refund. She was very inpatient!



In my view they should be crawling on their knee apologizing and assuring me that it is in fact a rare occurrence and they do what they can to keep these pests out.



The women also argued with me about the fact if they were weevils or not. She told me they were some kind of moth larva, but I told her they were clearly small gray beetles and that they were weevils but she insisted otherwise. I told her beetles don’t turn into moths but I then decided not to argue with her. I continued with the subject to my concern about the possibility of mites and parasites that may live on the actual bugs them selves.



She bluntly told me the bugs don’t have mites or parasites. I asked how she knew and she assured me she “KNEW”. She also had the nerve to tell me I shouldn’t worry about the bugs because they were “nutritious”



In her last outburst she shouted to me about the refund and I paused with a simple “Hmm” and told her that I had done some research about Hartz and am finding out that they have quite a bad reputation; and at that I heard her yell something as the phone line went dead after she hung up on me.



Now maybe its just me who thinks this.. But no matter the customer’s complaints, thought or questions, the employee should always act calmly and do their best to want to keep the customer coming back. Especially!!!.. if your work for a “customer Hot line” like this women did.



After a few moments of calming myself down from the experience I called back and asked for a manager and got the supervisor.



This next woman was actually very nice and answered my questions a bit more thoroughly. Although I admit I am still not that impressed. I told her I talked to a very rude woman, explaining the way she was as I have just told all you who read this.



She kindly apologized for the woman’s behavior and asked for her name, but unfortunately I am not sure she gave it; and if she I forgot. I retold my story about the hamster feed, giving her the product name.



She had said they don’t usually receive calls of this nature but that it had been a bad year. She did tell me that it would have gotten in there during the processing of the feeds. I asked if they had some way of checking for these things to try and insure that bugs didn’t get in. I was told that although it’s hard to get all the bugs out they do have a strict process they go through to try and keep these things out.



This I can understand.. But I cant be happy with a feed product where it seems as though they have no process at all that keep the feeds as bug free as they can.



I thanked the women for explaining that to me as the other person made it sound as though Hartz did nothing.



I also explained about how I was argued with on what kind of bug it was. I told her it was weevils and she said it would be a big help if I sent in a sample of the bugs so they could send it out to see what it was and take action on how to stop it.



This made me feel a bit better.



I was given clear instruction on what to do in order to get my refund. I think I will send that in with some dead bugs for them to see. And maybe an altered version of this very message for the manager to read.



I was pretty upset with myself for not getting the woman’s name that was rude to me. But I told the nicer lady that if she saw a disgruntled woman walking around that was probably her. I was pleased to get a good laugh out of the women on the phone.



That’s basically it!



But the question is.. will I buy a Hartz product again? Probably not!
SnuggleHam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2005, 12:14 PM   #5
nooboo
Hamster Overlord
 
nooboo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: manchester uk
Posts: 736
Send a message via MSN to nooboo
Default

wow what a nightmare to go through!!
nooboo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2005, 09:27 AM   #6
Emma
Hamster Addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: North Somerset, UK
Posts: 877
Send a message via MSN to Emma
Default

Sounds like you had some bad customer service.....but the woman was right, this kind of thing does happen occasionally, bugs get in at the feed mills, lay eggs that can then hatch if kept in the 'right' conditions. There's not much to be done about it. I don't think it's a particular brand's problem or anything. You can freeze bags in a good freezer then defrost before feeding to kill anything off if you're worried.



It can happen with human food too......often flour.
__________________
Emma

Hamster Central Moderator

Owned by Merry, Pippin, Lola & Shirley (roborovskis) Toby & Hazel (syrians)

Missing my angel Phoebe
Emma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2005, 10:43 AM   #7
babyboos
Retired Moderators
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Scotland UK
Posts: 3,393
Send a message via MSN to babyboos Send a message via Yahoo to babyboos
Default

I get this happening with different brands, including as you say human food Emma, but then I am a bit of an organic and wholefoods fan. Freezing really does help but when you buy 15kg sacks of food a bit hard to accomplish. I need a chest freezer just for the hamsters ideally.
babyboos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2005, 09:51 AM   #8
SnuggleHam
Former Admin
 
SnuggleHam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Connecticut USA
Posts: 2,590
Default

This is my letter that I am going to send to the Hartz company tomorrow. It's two full pages, and I hope they write back to me. If not.. well then I certainly wont think highly of them at all... *ponders* I wonder if I could get in trouble for writing a review on their hamster feed product and adding my opinion and posting it on HC for everyone to read?



I'll wait and see if they mail me back..



Quote:

To whom it may concern,



I am sending this letter to receive a refund on a product that I purchased. I bought two bags of Animal Farm LM, Premium Vita-Gold For Hamsters. On October 8th 2005 I found small bugs crawling in my hamsters food dish. I checked the opened bag that I was currently using and found it infested with small insects that appear to be weevils.



I had been using this one bag for some time and was almost finished with it when I first noticed the bugs. I am surprised that I had not noticed sooner. I then checked the other bag, which was sealed tight and unopened. There were no holes or rips that would have allowed the insects inside. I found it to be infested with weevils as well.



Since I made the discovery on a Saturday I waited until Monday to call Hartz customer hotline that I found listed on your website. I talked to a woman who was very rude to me on the phone. I cannot remember her name, but I can tell you that I called somewhere around noon on Monday October 10th, in case Hartz happens to record these phone calls and can look it up.



I would like to tell you what this woman said during my phone call. I started off and explained my complaint and how I bought the product. From the start she had quite an attitude with me. I told her about the weevils in the bag and she started talking over me immediately about how certain humidity will cause that to happen. To clarify, I asked how it could just happen from humidity, because the bugs/eggs/larva would have to be in there in the first place. She told me it was a rare occurrence, still talking in a loud annoyed tone.



After we agreed the eggs/larva must be in there first to hatch, and humidity can't manifest bugs that were not already there, I asked if Hartz had some way of making sure these things don't happen. She told me it was impossible to keep the bugs out. She made it sound as though

Hartz didn't have any system in place to keep so many bugs out of their feeds.



So I asked her what would happen if this were rice or oats made for human consumption and the bugs got in there? Would the company just tell me its impossible to keep the bugs out? Again the angered women started talking in a strong angry tone about how it's a rare occurrence and these things happen when there is allot of humidity.



I understand that insects have been known to turn up in gain foods as well as cereal products and so on that are made for human consumption. But I'm certain people with these experiences are not told by the company of that product that its impossible to keep the bugs out and leave it at that? It would certainly be thought of as unacceptable.



The woman forcefully started to tell me that I could send in the bar codes of the product for a refund. And in the conversation talked over me many times about the refund. She was very inpatient!



The women also argued with me about insects being weevils. She told me they were some kind of moth larva, but I told her they were clearly small gray beetles and that they were weevils, but she insisted otherwise. I told her beetles don't turn into moths but I then decided not to argue with her. I continued with the subject to my concern about the possibility of mites and parasites that may live on the actual bugs themselves.



She bluntly told me the bugs don't have mites or parasites. I asked how she knew and she assured me she "KNEW". She also had the nerve to tell me I shouldn't worry about the bugs because they were "nutritious".



First of all, I ask you. How do you know that the insect in the feed, that were not suppose to be there, are not mite and parasite free? And how can Hartz have to nerve to tell me these bugs are "Nutritious"? I understand that hamsters are omnivorous, eating insects in the wild. But most insects sold in stores for feeding I believe are bred for that sole purpose and are kept healthy and pesticide free. Further more, I did not see the words "fresh bugs" in the ingredients of this product.



In the woman's last outburst, she shouted to me about the refund and I paused with a simple "hmm" and told her that I had done some research about Hartz and am finding out that many people are displeased with your products. Then I heard her yell something to me (probably not very nice) as the phone line went dead after she hung up on me.



Now in my own personal opinion, no matter the customer's complaints, thoughts or questions, I feel the employee should always act calmly and do their best to want to keep the customer coming back. Especially if you work for a "Customer Hot Line" like this woman did.



I can tell you that after this experience I was feeling worse about the Hartz company. After a few moments of calming myself down from the experience I called back and asked for a manager and believe I got the supervisor. I am glad to report the experience was much more pleasant.



The next woman was actually very nice and answered my questions a bit more thoroughly. She kindly apologized for the other woman's behavior and asked for her name. Unfortunately I am not sure she gave it; and if she did I forgot. I retold my story about the hamster feed, giving her the product name.



She had said they don't usually receive calls of this nature but that it had been a bad year. She did tell me that the insects would have gotten in there during the processing of the feeds. I asked if they had some way of checking for these things to try and insure that bugs didn't get in. I was told that although it's hard to get all the bugs out Hartz does have a strict process they go through to try and keep these things out.



I would very much appreciate it if you would write me back with details about the process these feeds go through, and what measures are taken to try and keep your feeds as bug free as possible. I still find myself unsatisfied with the vagueness of my phone calls.



I also explained about how I was argued with on what kind of bug it was. I told her it was weevils and the kind woman said it would be a big help if I sent in a sample of the bugs so they could send it out to see what it was and take action on how to stop it. This made me feel a bit better.



I have frozen and enclosed some of the bugs found in the feed. I hope that I managed to freeze them and that they do not go dormant and come alive and escape when they reach room temperature again. In your letter back, please tell me whether I was right about the insects being weevils or not.



As instructed, I have cut out the bar codes of the two bags the product came in. I do not have a receipt but was told that it would be ok. I can tell you that I bought the product from PetsMart in Warwick, Rhode Island. I hope that helps you figure out what the proper refund should be.



I have also called PetsMart about this issue, but I don't know for sure if they checked the bags as I suggested. I was pretty upset with myself for not getting or remembering the woman's name that was rude to me, but I hope you are able to figure out who she was and have a word with her. I'm sure you don't want someone ill-tempered talking with any other customers who call your hot line.



I look forward to hearing back from you. Thank you for taking the time to read over my letter.






















SnuggleHam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2005, 10:12 AM   #9
Pendragon
Hamster Pup
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Portsmouth, Hampshire UK
Posts: 57
Default

Quote:

...She also had the nerve to tell me I shouldn't worry about the bugs because they were "nutritious"...

-- snip--

Further more, I did not see the words "fresh bugs" in the ingredients of this product...




Practically falling off my chair laughing here.... best thing I've read in ages! I just can't believe she really said that!!



Seriously though, you don't know what the bugs are, and she can't know through the telephone, so she's doing the company a great disservice. What if the bugs turned out to be something that infests your whole home? I'd probably have mentioned seeking legal advice at this point



I think you were quite clear in pointing out they were beetles not the larvae of the Indian Meal Moth, as she thought. Those horrible things are very common even in the UK and I sometimes get hatched moths flying round the house in warm weather, as they will lay their eggs on minute specks of hamster/rat food dust that the vacuum can't pick up. If they get into your kitchen you are in trouble as they will infest all your dry foods, spices, cereals, etc. and can breed in a tiny pinch of spice or spiled flour behind cupboards, counters or other places you can't get at to clean.



Yuck!!! :-&

I'd rather breed hamsters, not bugs!! Tee hee hee.
__________________
Sue

Pendragon Hamsters & Fancy Rats

Portsmouth, Hampshire, UK

http://www.pendragonhams.com
Pendragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2005, 10:21 AM   #10
SnuggleHam
Former Admin
 
SnuggleHam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Connecticut USA
Posts: 2,590
Default

Lol.. Ya I had my hubby proof read it before I printed it out, just to make sure he thought it sounded alright, he really like the "fresh bugs" comment as well.



I’m one out spoken girl, and I wont put up with that kind of attitude from nobody.. Nobody ya hear!! *yells, shaking fist*



All this has got me thinking about adding a new section to Hamster Central.. “product reviews!” I don’t know how I would go about organizing a section for that, and well.. we have other things to finish first. But it wouldn’t be a bad idea I don’t think. At lest I wish I had thought to look into the foods I was considering for purchase before I did go a buy the product.



I hope its not just me, but I feel very unsatisfied with the response from both people I talked to. I'd like to be given more details, more reassurance. I was provided none of that, so now I’m writing them and asking them to write me back.
SnuggleHam is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Food??what you feed your dwarf hamster? stellanova1 Dwarf Campbells Russian hamster 19 08-03-2010 07:34 AM
Can I feed my hamster dried fruit? Louise Feeding/Nutrition 5 12-08-2009 03:36 AM
Good hamster food? What do you feed yours? Cat-J Feeding/Nutrition 3 08-12-2009 05:51 AM
Best Hamster Feed Mix/Mealworms/Seeds Sams Mum Feeding/Nutrition 11 06-03-2009 10:39 AM
Tummy Bugs arikata Hamster Healthcare 3 11-20-2008 07:35 PM

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.43 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © 2003-2022, Hobby Solutions
All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:31 AM.