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Old 11-19-2012, 06:39 AM   #11 (permalink)
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My own website?...I wish! It`s lovely to discuss these topics with you csockman as we do seem to think along the same lines! I kept mice for many years before looking into keeping a few rescue hamsters again, so may main research was based around mice because mice can be a labour of love where their health is concerned but like hamsters, they are addictive little creatures!

I will certainly PM you with anything I think you might be interested in if I come across any new articles.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:32 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Racing, that link to fancy rat diet is interesting. Very similar to popular cancer preventative diets for humans. One way to know you're getting a good selection of anti-oxiandants is to 'eat the rainbow'. Meaning just what is says, eat richly coloured fruit and vegetables in shades of red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet. (indigo/violet being the trickiest!) This is because anti-oxidants (as well as vitamins/minerals) often include transition metal ions (from the periodic table) and each of these is a different colour.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:56 PM   #13 (permalink)
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@racinghamster

I agree, we do seem like-minded , that is why I am sure I would love your hamsterpedia site if you ever thought of putting one together!

@SammyJo and @racing

In the interest of keeping this thread going, and when you get about 20 minutes of free time, take a look at this TED talk. I posted a link to this a few months ago, but nobody seemed interested in discussing it. Ever since I saw this video I have wanted to learn more and find an application for it for our little furry friends

TED Blog | Can we eat to starve cancer? William Li on TED.com
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:01 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Cancer risks can be minimized--in some cases--but they cannot really be eliminated, because there are so many possible areas where tumors can develop and various ways in which they can form (genetically-inherited mutations, acquired mutations, etc.) Billions of cell divisions happening over and over, uncountable number of times in a life of an animal (and humans). Supplements to prevent cancer are pretty much a hoax. If it were that simple, such supplements would be supported by government-regulated health services, and human cancer rates, for example, would plummet.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:55 AM   #15 (permalink)
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csockman, thanks so much for posting the link to this video lecture because I find it very, VERY interesting indeed, not just because I want to learn more about how best we can combat tumours in our hamsters, but I also have an added interest in cancer as a family member has currently undergone treatment for this ghastly disease, so listening to the world of science and what it as to offer us is wonderful to hear. I have saved the video and will be watching it again. I`m a big fan of those Christmas science lectures when they are on the BBC over Christmas and always try to watch them.

But going back to the subject we are discussing, I do feel that feeding (in small amounts) most of the safe list foods mentioned here to our hamsters as part of their existing diet can only be beneficial. I knew about the lycopene in cooked tomatoes for example but I`ve never fed any cooked tomatoes to my hamsters, only small pieces of raw tomato on occassion! But many of the berries and other foods mentioned could also be added in frequent, small quantities.

A lot of what the scientist in the video said is common sense really, with the science backing that up. Tumours DO need a blood supply to grow, so if we can find ways to block that or combat it, then I`m all for it.

SammyJo, the rainbow food idea is also interesting and mirrors what the professor was saying in the video, that some foods are more beneficial than others at preventing dseases.

As the old saying goes, prevention is better than cure, so if we can glean anything from this, it`s taking a long, close look at what our hamsters eat and in some cases, changing it.

I don`t feed any shop bought treats or anything outwith natural grains, seeds and fruits/veggies these days anyway, but I ill be taking a hard look at adding even more using some of the suggestions given in this video once checked for safety reasons.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:26 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Oh racing, it pains me to know that someone close to you is battling cancer. It is draining on so many levels for the person afflicted as well as for everyone else that is emotionally involved. If I could give my life today to wipe away cancer I would do it in a heart-beat. So much pain and suffering. I hope that in our lifetime there will be a cure (doesn't everyone). I think it is realistic but I am biased with wishful thinking . One other interesting tidbit that I keep stumbling on over the past few months is the naked-mole rat and its insane resistance to cancer:

How underground rodent wards off cancer: Second mole rat species has different mechanism for resisting cancer

I am on-board with your prevention is better than a cure approach. It is all we have and theoretically it should have a huge impact because we are what we eat, right!? As always, please keep me posted of anything that you come across or actually implement with your hams and I will do the same!
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Another good read, thanks for that. Mole rats are strange little critters but I love watching their antics when they feature on any wildlife footage!

It`s truly amazing what science is coming up with against cancers and there IS a cure out there, they just havn`t dscovered it yet. They do seem to have grasped the idea of the `how and why`, but as with all trials, they have to find the one that s totally safe and a total cure at the same time. I`m sure they will hit that eureka moment sometime in the not so distant future. It will be a massive find when they do. Clinical trials can be very good even now, but they can be just that, trial and error and of course for our little ones, surgery is always an option, but some vets either get reluctant to operate or just don`t have a clue. I have a reasonably good vet who is always quite open about these things and will listen to what I have to say and then he will tell me whether he feels it`s a good or a bad idea, which I respect, rather than him just say there`s some Baytril go away and hope for the best...

I do believe in the `feed natural and the best` as far as hamsters go because the properties within these `super foods` is already trialed and tested. That`s good enough proof for me.
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...I have a reasonably good vet who is always quite open about these things and will listen to what I have to say and then he will tell me whether he feels it`s a good or a bad idea, which I respect, rather than him just say there`s some Baytril go away and hope for the best...
This is so important, having access to a vet that is open-minded and willing to collaborate and work with you. My vet is wired the same and it has made her grow as a vet and me as a caregiver.
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It definately helps, yes.
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