WW Boys Separation?

[souffle]

Please remember that this a pet hamster forum and we are not here to 'name and shame'. Pointing out simple, general facts is fine as is offering advice. Jesselle everyone must judge for themselves about anyone who wishes to post an advert. The forum is not affiliated to any clubs or organisations nor judges the morals of anyone's breeding. That is for each individual to decide and to put forward their own thoughts but in a respectful manner.

[jesselle]

^ understood - I thought I might get told to wind my neck in a bit with personal opinions

Also understood re listing.

Thanks souffle!

[MsMojo]

OK, so I got home tonight to find Pea on the second shelf in his wheel again. I picked him up to check for any marks and found a small mark on the right part of his bottom, with a small amount of red fur.. Very upsetting.

No choice, I separated them... Heartbreaking as I really wanted them to have company, but so be it.

I've now spent a little time with them both to give them some loving and will let them now settle.

Oh and my front room now looks even more like a zoo with three cages!

Picture attached of their new separate homes. I'll put the second set of shelves in the cages when I've got a hammock in between so can catch them if they fall.

Thanks again all for your help, it's so nice to have a forum like this to come to with lots of great advice.

[souffle]

I think you did the right thing. This happened to our two WW brothers at about 4 months but we left it too late after thinking things would be OK and one got some nasty bites on his rump. They will likely sulk a little for about 7-10 days but soon settle down to life alone.
When you really think about it and consider the natural lives of these animals keeping single sexes together is not a natural thing for them to do. They like company but in groups of mixed sexes and different ages. They would not normally choose to live with their same sex siblings all their lives especially when mature. They will be quite content and you will not have the worry of them fighting now. They will also likely become more people friendly too

[Pompompoms]

You absolutely did the right thing, whether you try to reintroduce or not, for the moment things need to settle, and the little one with the bite needs to heal.

Should you decide to put them together again, or just for general info, I have that cage, and for a single it's fantastic, my little Scar Face lives in it, but for a pair it would need some alteration.

Four weeks old is in my opinion very early to allow pups to leave, they have only just been separated from mum, and still have a lot of developing both physically and mentally to do. I like to if possible let them live with their dad or another adult male for an additional two weeks, or if that isn't possible, all boy babies together. Of course if there were only two males, they are paired already, but they will need special attention, diet, set ups til they are seven weeks at least. I keep my boys with dad til they are six weeks, then in the cages they will go to their new owners in for a further two weeks, and only if they are relaxed and settled can they go to their new homes at eight weeks. The current mini poms are seven weeks tomorrow and due to go to their new homes next week, however there is one little boy that has found being away from dad difficult, and is not settling, and displaying signs of stress. Should he not settle that pair will stay a little longer til I know he's happy, relaxed, and ready. For me it's part of good breeding practice.

If you do chose to try them again, and there is of course no guarantee at all that they wish to live together, take out the shelf and the tube, leaving you with just a big tub. Have two identical wheels/spinners, scatter feed, an open nest, or a nest covered with something like a large wooden bridge so it's open at both ends, and a large sand pit. Don't add anything else that can be fought over, and that either can get cornered it/close ended.

That said, they will both be perfectly happy alone, especially in their great set ups you have made them ,and will a lot of fuss from you

[olga]

They will be happy living as singles once they have adjusted to being on their own. As said earlier they are young so adjustment may take a bit longer than if the scenario was 2 adults being separated.

i would advice never to reintroduce them. The hamsters will get used to living on their own and to put them through stress trying to reintroduce them with no guarantee of success I think would be unfair to them.

Good luck and the cage set ups are brilliant. 2 lucky hybrid hamsters to have you to care for them.

[kyrilliondaemon]

If thats the breeder I suspect it is, my views about them can't really be printed on a family friendly forum to be honest lol. I'm sorry someone else has fallen for their lies.

Hybrids are lovely hams though, we've got quite a few. You did the right thing separating and I'm sure both hams will be happier now

[olga]

Originally Posted by souffle

Please remember that this a pet hamster forum and we are not here to 'name and shame'. Pointing out simple, general facts is fine as is offering advice. Jesselle everyone must judge for themselves about anyone who wishes to post an advert. The forum is not affiliated to any clubs or organisations nor judges the morals of anyone's breeding. That is for each individual to decide and to put forward their own thoughts but in a respectful manner.

sorry honestly not wishing to rock the boat but I am totally confused now. I have just looked at the hamster breeders list on this forum here:
Hamster Breeders (United Kingdom)

If there is an advert that says winter whites but they are actually hybrids should not the advert be altered to reflect the accurate description of the hamsters for sale?

Members, particularly new, may see this and think they are pure which sounds not to be the case. It is misleading information, isn't it?

[souffle]

Please stay on topic. This thread is wandering far away from the original poster's question.
I will answer Olga's question however please stay on topic afterwards.
We are not in a position olga to verify the details given by any member asking to place an ad in the list. I understand what you are saying and I will look to place a notice to this effect on the board. You do not have to be a UK NHC member to call yourself a breeder. Anyone can do that and anyone can ask to place an ad and should it not break any rules then it will be allowed.
Persons buying hamsters MUST satisfy themselves that they feel the hamster and the breeder is the right one for them. Information can be found by asking the Club secretaries and there is a list of registered hamsteries on the National site. These should be operating under the NHC code of practice. You can also private message people you know to be club members and seek their opinions.
There is no law against breeding hybrid animals. This is a moral judgement. If the person obtained them from the continent where the rules are different they can call them what they wish and sell them as they wish.
You cannot say that a person only breeds hybrids as they may well also have pure stock and you just do not know.
Ads stay on the forum until the member asks they are removed or we have cause to think there is another issue such as closing down. No ad is endorsed by Hamster Central.

[amie]

Originally Posted by souffle

They are not pure WW though as you do not get that gingery colour in Winter Whites. (at least it looks gingery in the pic) That comes from argente campbells genes somewhere along the lines. If one is more 'cambelly' in temperament and the other more WW (he is a pearl) then they may well not get along very well even though they are brothers.

I would not recommend reintroducing them at any future date due to the reason souffle has stated. I am sure they will be happy living on their own and it will save you the worry of when to reintroduce or how. I keep pure winter whites and some just prefer to live on their own.

I am sorry that you had to separate Pea and Nut so soon after getting them. For what it’s worth I think you did the right thing.

Best wishes to you, Pea and Nut.