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Old 07-31-2017, 12:08 PM   #1
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Default Welcome P17, CocoPups!

Hi Everyone!

We've been busy here at SBH, helping with transports, and just general busy adult life. Everyone has been well - we did sadly have one failed litter with our lovely Molly, aka Molasses. Sadly she went overdue and the pups were likely stillborn, so we lost that whole litter. We're very lucky Molly did fine though, and we're giving her time to recoup and hopefully will try her again with more success.

In the meantime, we've bred for a litter that arrived mid-morning today, from SBH's Lime Cordial (Cordelia) and HHH's Cashew at SBH. He's on loan and will be going back to his family shortly.

It wasn't the ideal pairing for me in some ways. We had originally bred Cashew to Molly, but the litter didn't pan out. The reason I hadn't planned to use him to Cordelia is because he is extreme dilute black eyed cream, and Cordelia is heterozygous extreme dilute black tortoiseshell. I really did not want to mix my yellow and cream!

That being said, I didn't want to lose Cashew's awesome genetics, and had no other female available of the right age. They compliment each other in many other ways though - both have the nice type from Janice's lines, with Cordy being a bit bigger with denser fur. Their temperaments are both very sweet and laid back. And - they both happened to be extreme dilute, a gene which is fading into the woodwork here in North America.

It'll set my yellow goals back a bit, but I have several cream free males and females so hopefully it won't be too hard to remove the cream!

Here are some photos of them both.

Cordelia, from last night when she was out.



Cashew, from a small photoshoot we did yesterday.



We're calling them the "CocoPups" as an allusion to the song - you put the lime in the coconut, and shake it all up! Lime Cordial... Cashew (being a nut)... anyways, haha.

I'm expecting ED and Het-ED combos, 50% golden, 50% black. I'm *hoping* Cashew is actually a ghost yellow, or even an Ee yellow - we don't have many good ED examples of those. We may get cream combinations and cinnamon combinations. 50% of the pups will carry for recessive dappled, and all will be long hair.

From an ED standpoint, I'm excited to see how the pups develop! However, I don't look forward to battling to get the cream out. Everytime I think I get rid of it, it needs to come back in one form or another. Grumble!

Anyways, updates to come, and of course, no peeking until eyes are open.
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:17 PM   #2
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Congrats on the CocoPups! Look forward to pupdates when eyes open.

Sorry you lost Molly's litter but good to hear that she is doing ok.
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Old 07-31-2017, 01:20 PM   #3
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First thing I thought of when I read “CocoPups” was “cocopops” like the kids breakfast cereal lol. Great name.

I’m so sorry to hear about Molly’s litter, but glad that she is recovering well.

Looking forward to the pups arriving. Cashew is simply stunning!
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So sorry to hear about Molly's litter At least she's alright xx

So excited for this new litter, I love watching all the SB hams grow
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Old 08-01-2017, 06:22 AM   #5
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Thanks all! I'm really excited to see these little ones. Cordelia has taken very well to motherhood and only tucked out briefly for some cucumber, kale, porridge, fenugreek and some dandelion.

We had a specially designed box made for our litters by a lovely friend who will be selling all sorts of wood products. It was a suggestion from Janice from Holmden Hill Haven. She had mentioned how she used to have nesting boxes with hinged flip up lids that allowed for a quick peek to make sure all is well without any disturbances. We called it a "BorkBox" in allusion to Starbuck, who is our lovely lady from HHH, and also because Starbuck was so obsessed with her box with her first pups.

Cordelia quite likes the box, and when she tucked out for some supplements I was able to peek in with no disturbance. I'm glad I did as there was a stillborn pup, who I removed from the nest as to not decay and harm the other pups. Some of my mums don't consume their passed pups.

I've covered her bin with a towel now, but she is content, and her litter is doing well. There are quite a few but I honestly didn't look long enough to count, just make sure that all was well.
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I was sorry to hear what happened to Molly when I read it on instagram, such a shame.

The Cocopups are going to be gorgeous, their Mum and Dad make a very beautiful couple. It's sad to hear about the stillborn pup but I hope the rest of the litter thrive

Looking forward to more updates
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Old 08-01-2017, 07:02 AM   #7
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I was sorry to hear what happened to Molly when I read it on instagram, such a shame.

The Cocopups are going to be gorgeous, their Mum and Dad make a very beautiful couple. It's sad to hear about the stillborn pup but I hope the rest of the litter thrive

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Molly's litter was a shame. I felt so bad for the young mum, and I really don't feel as though she played a part in why it failed. While I did find well, not whole bodies, I don't think she truly culled them as she did go late. She looked very out of sorts as well.

They will be! I'm excited to see them, especially with the variety of colours we could get. As Cordy carries cinnamon, and Cashew might, we could end up with our first cinnamon pups... though I'll be petting those out as I'm keeping cinnamon out of my ED lines where possible (easier said than done).

We named the little one who didn't make it Peanut, and we'll bury them hopefully soon.

I'm at work all this week (I was off last with an injury) so Cordy will have a quiet and peaceful house to herself.
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So sad about Molly's pups.
Congratulations on Cocopups, so looking forward to eyes opening.
Cordelia and Cashew so gorgeous, I love his fluffy coat,
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Goodness this thread shows just how comlicated and heart breaking breeding can be even for experts.

Cashew is just gorgeous x
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Hope the Cocopups grow well. I'm looking forward to seeing them grow.
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