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06-06-2017, 12:25 PM
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Newborn Pup
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 41
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Anyone bred and kept a note of genetics?
Hey there,
Just wondering if anyone out there has bred multiple generations of Syrian hamsters, and have kept detailed notes of their genetics? I am considering breeding in November this year (will be getting the parents just after the summer holidays so I have time to look after them, and will be giving them a a few months to settle in and to make sure I still want to breed from them) and have mentioned this to my Biology teacher.
I will be sitting Scottish Highers next year, and part of the course is the assignment for which I will need an experiment of my own and to compare it to an experiment which has been repeated by someone else.
Still not entirely sure wether I could use this breeding as an 'experiment' but if I can, I will need some data to compare it to-hence the request.
Of course I'm not breeding purely as an 'experiment', but out of a genuine interest in genetics and a love of looking after these marvellous wee friends of ours. Breeding will not go ahead unless I'm confident the pups will have good homes to go to.
I will update you guys if as and when about which aspects of the hamster's genetics I'll be focusing on for this project. Until then, thanks for reading through this really long post😂 X
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06-06-2017, 06:17 PM
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The Hamtologist
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Southern United States
Posts: 2,855
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Re: Anyone bred and kept a note of genetics?
I'm not a breeder, but I figured I'd help you out here
You may find more detailed and specific answers by contacting some breeders directly. For example you have,
Zika hamstery (Virginia, USA)
Strong Brew Hamstery (Ontario, CA)
Custard hamstery (West Yorkshire, UK)
Leedshams (Leeds, UK)
These are all I know off the top of my head, but I'm sure they'd be more than happy to help you if you were to contact them directly. Good luck!
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06-07-2017, 10:26 AM
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Strong Brew Hamstery
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 5,282
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Re: Anyone bred and kept a note of genetics?
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Originally Posted by EJoy123
Hey there,
Just wondering if anyone out there has bred multiple generations of Syrian hamsters, and have kept detailed notes of their genetics? I am considering breeding in November this year (will be getting the parents just after the summer holidays so I have time to look after them, and will be giving them a a few months to settle in and to make sure I still want to breed from them) and have mentioned this to my Biology teacher.
I will be sitting Scottish Highers next year, and part of the course is the assignment for which I will need an experiment of my own and to compare it to an experiment which has been repeated by someone else.
Still not entirely sure wether I could use this breeding as an 'experiment' but if I can, I will need some data to compare it to-hence the request.
Of course I'm not breeding purely as an 'experiment', but out of a genuine interest in genetics and a love of looking after these marvellous wee friends of ours. Breeding will not go ahead unless I'm confident the pups will have good homes to go to.
I will update you guys if as and when about which aspects of the hamster's genetics I'll be focusing on for this project. Until then, thanks for reading through this really long post😂 X
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We have extensive noting on the genetics of our lines, and I imagine most other breeders do as well. I track genotype, as well as weight and health, then DOD throughout the lifetime.
Can you explain the process more? Are you looking at health related genetics, or overall genotype which affects phenotype?
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06-07-2017, 10:33 AM
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Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Southampton, UK
Posts: 4,577
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Re: Anyone bred and kept a note of genetics?
What sort of experiment were you planning?
The information about which genes are recessive, dominant or sex linked can be found on the Midland Hamster Club website, and in the NHC handbook. I'm not sure that information from a single breeder would be particularly helpful in 'proving' which are dominant or recessive as that is already known - and individual litters can be variable from what is expected to what mums give you. Colours/patterns where the genetics are less well understood in the UK aren't good ones to begin breeding with and you would find it hard to source hamsters of these less well established and understood varieties (e.g. blue Syrians, patterned and red eyed robos or even black-eyed white Chinese), especially for a one off litter.
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06-10-2017, 02:35 PM
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Newborn Pup
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 41
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Re: Anyone bred and kept a note of genetics?
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Originally Posted by Hekomi
We have extensive noting on the genetics of our lines, and I imagine most other breeders do as well. I track genotype, as well as weight and health, then DOD throughout the lifetime.
Can you explain the process more? Are you looking at health related genetics, or overall genotype which affects phenotype?
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Thank you for all your helpful replies. That information sounds like it could be really useful Hekomi. 😊
The assignment demonstrates research/scientific skills, and makes up a significant percentage of my final grade.
With regards to the experimental part of the assignment, I will need to carry out an experiment myself, and present my raw data & analyse it, as well explain why this data is relevant/reliable. I will need to do the same for a similar experiment from a different source.(where one of you might come in) I will then compare the results and draw conclusions.
I will probably be basing my assignment on how selected aspects of the hamster's genotype affect its phenotype. I expect I will use one hamster which is homozygous recessive for a particular characteristic, and one which expresses a dominant gene in its phenotype.
I can send pictures and explain which characteristics I'll be focusing on later in the year (providing my biology teacher gives me the go ahead for this project).
For now, it's great to know that you guys may be able to help me.
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06-10-2017, 02:57 PM
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Newborn Pup
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 41
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Re: Anyone bred and kept a note of genetics?
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Originally Posted by Vectis Hamstery
What sort of experiment were you planning?
The information about which genes are recessive, dominant or sex linked can be found on the Midland Hamster Club website, and in the NHC handbook. I'm not sure that information from a single breeder would be particularly helpful in 'proving' which are dominant or recessive as that is already known - and individual litters can be variable from what is expected to what mums give you. Colours/patterns where the genetics are less well understood in the UK aren't good ones to begin breeding with and you would find it hard to source hamsters of these less well established and understood varieties (e.g. blue Syrians, patterned and red eyed robos or even black-eyed white Chinese), especially for a one off litter.
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Thank you for your advice. 😊
Last year's assignment was on the optimum pH for the enzyme amylase, which is obviously already known, so the projects aren't useually anything particularly ground breaking😅.
Yes, I'll probably go for a more common colour/pattern, depends what's available, and of course I'll take into account that the pups may not have the phenotype expected.
Mainly, I'm just really looking forward to having a hamster in my life again. ❤️
I've wanted to beed for a while, and I'm really interested in genetics, so it's just an added bonus if I can use this for my assignment, but it's no big deal if it turns out I can't... will probably just have to watch apple juice go mouldy or something for my experiment instead😂
Will have a look at those websites too, thanks.
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