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Old 06-21-2016, 09:35 PM   #1
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Default Hamster colors help umbrus, satins and torts, oh my!

I have three breeder hamsters (and one sweet petstore ham). I'm wondering what color combos I can expect with these genetics.

It's been a while since I've used punnett squares and in biology it was all much more simple. Can anyone help me out? I'd love to learn more about Syrian genetics. Thanks for your help!

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Gold Umbrous LH, Female (Aa,Dd,Ee,U_,Rd_,ll)

Bjorn
Black LH Satin, Male (aa,_sg,toY,baba,ll,Sasa)

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Gold Tortoiseshell, Female (Aa,Dd,Ee,Toto,__,Rd_,L_)
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Old 06-22-2016, 04:36 AM   #2
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Default Re: Hamster colors help umbrus, satins and torts, oh my!

I wouldn't mix umbrous with yellow or black. The alleles don't make much sense, Sg is silver grey which is dominant, 'sg' isn't the correct code and putting it this way usually means that the gene isn't present. If Bjorn is black he cannot be yellow, so he won't be ToY. Also is he banded? a banded hamster would be Baba, a double banded hamster would be BaBa. So he is either 'aaBaballSasa' or 'aaSgsgBaballSasa' (If he has Sg he will be silver black, he could be double banded, he may not have Sg, I won't know unless you tell me what you mean )

Does Cersi carry recessive dappled? if so she will be 'Rdrd' you can also put it like '_rd' I guess (rd being the allele for Recessive dappled, if she is recessive dappled the phenotype would be 'rdrd') Also what is Dd? don't think I've seen that before. So from what I know so far she should be 'AaDdEeTotoRdrdLl' (Ll if she carries longhair?)

Until I know what some of the alleles mean I'll be able to determine what you'd get

Also where are you from? I wouldn't mix cream with yellow, it is highly advised against as cream washes out the true yellow colour and it's really difficult to get cream out of yellow lines.
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Old 06-22-2016, 05:03 AM   #3
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Default Re: Hamster colors help umbrus, satins and torts, oh my!

Your genetic codes are all very confusing with some things there that don't even seem possible so just looking at the phenotypes
Umbrous golden LH female to LH Black satin male (assuming no carried genes)
would give you all LH pups half of which would be Satin. If the female has two Umbrous genes all will be Umbrous goldens. If she has one Umbrous gene the half will be Golden and half Umbrous Golden. Carrying black makes the ticking darker.

Golden tort female X Black satin LH male

All will be short haired with half satin. Colourwise if no other shared recessives you could get Golden and Golden tort females , Golden and Yellow males

If the hammy doesn't have the gene there is no need to include it when you code as that confuses things a whole lot!
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:12 AM   #4
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the dd gene is Dilute gene which produces a Blue hamster if also a Black hamster. Some call it Blue Dilute gene as well. I agree with the other two posters that your codes posted are very confusing when placed with the color and hair type you claim the hamster to be visually.
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Old 06-22-2016, 10:40 PM   #5
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Thanks guys, the genotypes and phenotypes were provided by the breeder I got my hamsters from. I'm in Idaho and when I got my pretty store hamster I had to look all over for one that had a good temperament but he is really poor quality (at over 6 months of age he was still barely half the size of my 3 month breeders and is just now, an additional the months later, starting to gain enough weight that he doesn't feel like a tooth pick model. Plus he has very high anxiety) so I found a hamstery in a neighboring state for my breeders based on temperament. My nieces have gerbils that are very aggressive (seven year old neice gets bit daily trying to just let them run across her hands) so I wanted some gentle hamster lines to be able to offer her something gentler (she is very responsible and gentle with her pets, and I know she treats them well). I'm just excited to see what possibilities color-wise I could hope for while mainly just wanting to have great gentle pets with the possibility of having pups to allow friends to have gentle, confident, healthy hamsters instead of the pet store offerings.
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