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Old 06-08-2012, 01:29 PM   #1
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Default Chinese show standard.

I don't know if it's just me, but I have a hard time telling 'pet' and 'show' standard Chinese apart, the difference is not as striking as in Syrians. So basically this is a topic about what makes a Chinese winner at shows.

I know what the written standard is, but I find it hard to visualize, if that makes sense...because how relatively rare they are shows still, you don't get to see a lot of them.

The main differences I can see:
- show standard animals are bigger
- their body type is stockier, unlike the racy bodies of pet types
- their heads are more triangular and less mouse-like than pet standard
- their ears are smaller than pet standard
- more profound necks
- clean markings as per standard

But most of these differences are very subtle and hard to spot, for me.

If you are an exhibitionist breeder what makes an attractive animal for you?
What makes a winner in your experience?
What are your goals in terms of colour? What kind of markings do you try and achieve?
Are their any traits that are hard to breed out [to get rid of]? If yes, which?
Have you got pictures to compare of a winner and a particularly non-standard hamster? If yes, can you post them?

Looking forward to replies.
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Old 06-08-2012, 02:51 PM   #2
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Default Re: Chinese show standard.

I found the best way to learn what a good Chinese looked like was to steward at shows and listen while the judge was discussing the good and bad points of each animal. Chinese classes are some of the larger ones at the moment at Southern shows, and at Hereford there were 12 normal Chinese! I also found it tricky to tell without seeing what is looked for. Pictures are also tricky as they don't always show depth of colour and you can't feel how much body the hamster has, so I would encourage you to come to a show and see them 'in the fur'. Your comparison points seem pretty good to me

That said, I do like the description of the 'ideal' Chinese hamster in the NHC standard:

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The build should be long and slender, firm but not thin. The head is set apart from the body on a short neck. The eyes should be set well apart and form an equilateral triangle with the nose. The back legs and tail are noticeably visible. The fur should be short and dense with a smooth appearance. The feet are finely haired. Adults should have an approximate length of: 10cm female, 12cm male. The hamster should be fit, curious when awake and to handle. The flesh should be well toned with no surplus fat. The coat shall have a healthy sheen and be clean. The eyes should be round and not too prominent. The ears shall be large in proportion to its head and rounded.
What makes an attractive animal? I divide it into the categories that points are awarded in judging: type, colour, fur, condition, size, eyes and ears. A winner is the hamster that most meets the standard.

In terms of type (incl eyes and ears), I look for a Chinese that is chunky, but not fat, with an equilateral triangle shape to the head and ears in proportion (no mousey bat ears, no matter how cute!). In terms of colour, I look for a deep mahogany with even ticking in a normal. I want the same colour but in spots which are evenly spread over the hamster in a dom spot. This has been one of my biggest challenges in terms of show standards. I want a hamster that is a good size (40-50g, usually females at the lower end, males at the top). Weight isn't everything though as it has to be in proportion and not fat or flabby. Older hams can get folds of skin when they lose bulk from their peak condition. Gavroche (left) beat his dad (right) recently despite being smaller as his type and colour/markings are better. The picture isn't great as they were a bit too interested in each other if they were closer!

Traits that I've struggled to breed out? Diabetes. You just have to start again. Another tricky thing with the BEW and dom spots, although not inherited, is staining. That's a real pain for showing.

Princess Sparkle is a good example of a lovely pet hamster! She won dwarf novice for me at my first few shows (I was the only dwarf novice!) but was right at the bottom of the table with 'please see judge' written on the pen label, bless her.

Sparky had no body/bulk to her and her eyes were bulgy and her ears impressively large. She had few spots which were pale and blotchy. Still, she was a lovely little lady and got me hooked on Chinese hamster showing.

A good show dom spot, Lotus:


A pet normal Chinese, Lani:


Grand Champion Vectis's Angel Islington is a good example of a fabulous hamster (even if I do say so myself!). She has seven certificates of merit and has won her class multiple times as well as three Reserve Best in Shows and one Best in Show (that was out of 81 hamsters):

In person, she has the depth of colour and some of the mahogany that the standard needs. Her type is also nice.

Does this help?
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:16 AM   #3
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Default Re: Chinese show standard.

Yes, that definitely explains a lot! I can see that I've missed out not going to shows this year, the last show I've been to was over a year ago, and there weren't many Chinese then. There definitely wasn't 12!

You can see why Angel has won, she's a real beauty! Looks very different from a pet shop Chinese.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:31 AM   #4
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If you are an exhibitionist breeder what makes an attractive animal for you?
What makes a winner in your experience?
What are your goals in terms of colour? What kind of markings do you try and achieve?
Are their any traits that are hard to breed out [to get rid of]? If yes, which?
Have you got pictures to compare of a winner and a particularly non-standard hamster? If yes, can you post them?

Looking forward to replies.
I'm not widely experienced when it comes to chinese as Bacardi is my first
He came from vectis hams (Rachel's chinese are always lovely :mgreen and he was usually at the higher end of the show bench (but quite often he was beaten by his mum ). I'd be interested to see how he does now as I haven't shown him in a while.

Things that help him gain points are hes quite a big chinese and he has good markings on one side. However, his marking aren't so good on the other side and he has some middle age spread. It happens quite often to have chinese with a 'good side'. He also tried to pee on the judge x
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:34 AM   #5
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I think I know what you mean by having a good side. Princess look much better/symmetrically spotted from the left than she does from the right.

Now about ears. Tulip shaped or round?
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:22 AM   #6
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According to the NHC show standard.
"EYES AND EARS (5 points) - The eyes should be round and not too prominent. The ears shall be large in proportion to its head and rounded."
I'd say Bacardi has pretty big and round ears x
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But in proportion, not Dumbo sized! Chinese hamsters shouldn't look like fancy mice
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:55 PM   #8
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But in proportion, not Dumbo sized! Chinese hamsters shouldn't look like fancy mice
I know, dear god, some mice breeders really go over the top with the ears. I have to say I think a lot is being sacrificed in terms of health and temperament in the name of 'perfect' looks in the mouse fancy. Since they are not sold by P@H anymore, they dropped off the 'radar' a bit, and breeders have risen in numbers.
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