What colour offspring would these produce?

[Daisyy]

I have a long haired red eyed cream male, and a short hair, red eyed female who I'm unsure on colour (Mink/sable?) What colour pups would these two produce?
Here's a couple of pictures-
Male (Clive)

Female (Mrs Clive )

Cheers

[cathface]

I'm not sure on the answer but I just wanted to say that you probably shouldn't be breeding them if you can't even identify what colour your female is. I'm pretty sure that, to discern the possible outcomes of the pups, you will need to trace back the potential parents' lineage as well, to see what genes they carry, and what their parents carried, and what their parents carried. unless you can do that, so you must have breeder hams rather than pet shop ones, you should not be breeding them willy nilly.

[vanilla-yazoo]

She is a mink, or at least the photos make her look mink. They are not that clear.
However....
I wouldn't breed them unless they are from a breeder, and you have the pedigrees as there are a lot of hazardous genes that hamsters can carry invisably, and the breeder would know more of what is carried.
Please please do not breed them just for the sakes of it. You must first do all the research, genetics, pregnancy care, rules of breeding. You will need many many homes. Do you know their ages ect?

I know if the lines where pure, the litter would be recs and minks, but it dipends what colours they also carry.

[Kissa]

Originally Posted by cathface

I'm not sure on the answer but I just wanted to say that you probably shouldn't be breeding them if you can't even identify what colour your female is. I'm pretty sure that, to discern the possible outcomes of the pups, you will need to trace back the potential parents' lineage as well, to see what genes they carry, and what their parents carried, and what their parents carried. unless you can do that, so you must have breeder hams rather than pet shop ones, you should not be breeding them willy nilly.

Originally Posted by vanilla-yazoo

She is a mink.
However....
I wouldn't breed them unless they are from a breeder, and you have the pedigrees as there are a lot of hazardous genes that hamsters can carry invisably, and the breeder would know more of what is carried.
Please please do not breed them just for the sakes of it. You must first do all the research, genetics, pregnancy care, rules of breeding. You will need many many homes. Do you know their ages ect?

I know if the lines where pure, the litter would be recs and minks, but it dipensa wha colours they also carry.

These, also: Think Before You Breed!

[radiocricket]

I'll third the notion that if you can't identify the colors of the hamsters you have, you shouldn't breed. One of the colors you suspect the female to be isn't even possible, which shows you've not even begun to delve into genetics.

That's aside from what you know about the hamsters, their ages, the health of the lines they come from, etc...

-Janice

[samzyzg]

I'm wondering why are you asking? Is it just out of curiosity or are you thinking of breeding as I have read a few things where people thought they knew what they were doing and realised that it was a mistake. I know some are studying genetics just now as they are plannning to breed in the future. If you are i'd ask on here as some are breeders or know a lot about genetics.

[Daisyy]

Hi everyone, sorry I didn't make this clear.
These hamsters are both from breeders, two separate lines with good pedigree's, I've seen the females line 4 generations back, and the males 5.
I've been breeding rats for a while and I've had one litter of hamsters by accident years ago, I've been looking into this and researching for over a year.

I haven't looked as deeply as I probably should have into genetics yet, but I know what to pair and what not to pair so you don't create eyeless whites or any unhealthy babies.

I'm just starting out, everyone has to start somewhere.

[kyrilliondaemon]

I know everyone has to start somewhere, but I think what most are trying to say is that you're probably not ready to actually breed yet.
It'd be much better if you were confident on hamster colours and working out the likely results of a litter yourself before you started breeding.

[Daisyy]

Originally Posted by kyrilliondaemon

I know everyone has to start somewhere, but I think what most are trying to say is that you're probably not ready to actually breed yet.
It'd be much better if you were confident on hamster colours and working out the likely results of a litter yourself before you started breeding.

The female hamster is too young to breed at the moment, I still have at least two months to research colours.

[Daisyy]

Sorry that last post sounded rude!
I do appreciate everyone's advice, I do think I'll be ready by the time she is though.