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Old 09-18-2018, 03:41 AM   #11
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UPDATE: So I wasn't home last night but my partner scatter fed Podge and that did seem to distract her a little - she didn't bite while he was awake, but can't tell what she did whilst he was asleep because the biting doesn't wake him up like it does me.
Really not sure what to do for the best - whether to do frequent (every fortnight or so) cage updates (i.e. changing a few toys around) or whether to leave her.
My other question is that doesn't sleep in a house atm - she used to sleep in one of the ones on the HH shelf but moved to sleep in a corner so I put a bendy bridge over that corner to keep it dark and gave her some paper bedding. Is this okay?
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Old 09-18-2018, 07:15 AM   #12
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It sounds like she is still unsettled and moving things and changing things has probably delayed her settling in again. Some hamsters hate anything moving even an inch - our last Syrian was always like that and got completely freaked if anything moved to a different place or was taken out. He didn't mind a new thing being added in and found that quite interesting - as long as nothing else had moved! They all have different personalities and when you hear about people moving things and changing things to make it more interesting I think that depends on a lot of things - a) how old the hamster is b) their personality c) what's been going on in their lives and d) how you do it.

So if she had been in the cage for a year with everything the same then adding or replacing something might be accepted better. Taking the Penthouse out has probably wound her up but it's better removed as it's a pain and the tubes get blocked up. Also those little houses on the shelves are too small. Our last hamster decided to nest in one and it kept getting smelly and the top kept popping off as he stuffed too much stuff in it.

It sounds like it's a stage of getting the Hamster Heaven right and giving her time to adjust to the changes - she probably feels like she's been invaded, robbed and being chased by a broom!

If there isn't a house they think suitable for nesting they will nest under a shelf sometimes - but they like to do things their own way.

So as humans we have to curb the urge to keep tweaking things too much. She may or may not accept the bendy bridge over her nest or you may find it tipped over and moved! They are actually very tidy and like to rearrange things in the cage themselves sometimes and will moved substrate all over the place.

Now the Penthouse and little house on the shelf is out it sounds like it's nearly thee. The hamster heaven is a lovely cage but works best without all the plastic stuff it comes wiht. It helps to have one shelf but there isnt room for both as well as a syrian sized wheel.

The one thing they get very stressed and fussy about is their nest and hoard (two things!). So if the nest and hoard got thrown away when you took the house out she probably will go bananas and not feel safe. Hence trying to chew her way out.

Getting her to settle down is the tricky bit - it will happen in time but there is no set formula. I'd say a combination of letting her out regularly and leaving her alone. When our hamster got like this after being moved to another house and coming back it took two weeks for him to stop bar chewing and going bananas. He wanted to be in and out every five minutes. In the end I set up a playpen round his cage (which was on the floor) and just left the door open (same door as your cage) and just let him run in and out and have more space but he was still hyper. We then tried turning the lights out and going to bed early (he only seemed to bar chew when we were there). That slowed things up a bit. But what did it in the end was a full cage clean (different circumstances maybe) as he could still smell the other house on his cage I think (and maybe other hamsters too). Normally that would stress them but it sort of shocked him out of it and he calmed down andwas interested in the new chews.

So I'd suggest leaving everything alone for now - even if it's not ideal - for a week or two. Meanwhile let her out as much as you can and don't change anything while she's out of the cage (they come back and freak that someone has messed with the cage when they were out!). Weave some cardboard round the bars to deter the chewing and maybe hide the odd treat in different parts of the cage. And you could try playing soft music.

It makes us stressed too when they are like this but just keep at those things for a couple of weeks and don't clean anything - even spot cleaning - unless it gets excessively wet and stinky in the pee area. So she feels a bit more like it's her territory.

After the two weeks I would get the cage just right and then leave it like that for a long time. Does she have a wheel that's big enough? Sorry if you said before - can't remember. That is another thing that can make them bar chew for attention or get hyper if they're not using the wheel because it's too small and uncomfortable.

With the hamster heaven I would have the wheel at one end at the back of the cage and the solid shelf at the opposite end - and add a house that is dark inside - a shoebox or tissue box would do but if it's open underneath and sat on the substrate it's better because then she can have normal behaviours - like burrowing down to keep warm and burying hoards under her nest. A shoebox may be too big to fit in there with the shelf and wheel. I found I couldn't fit a house under the shelf easily and in the end I started with an empty cage and no shelves and added a guine pig house with a flat roof - which gave a large dark area for nesting and also doubled up as a shelf. Plus rat sputniks are good in the hamster heaven - they hang low from the roof andmake something to sit under and climb into.

I wouldn't use any of the plastic tubes that came with the Hamster Heaven - just the solid shelf.

So in a couple of weeks just spot clean a little bit - any pee - change anything that needs changing and add a house. If you put the bendy bridge over the house entrance it will tempt her inside because it'll be nice and dark inside and if it has a flat roof then the bendy bridge then makes a ramp on to the house roof.

Then when she goes back I think she'll settle. Leave her nest and hoard where they are - she'll take anything she wants to the house. She might change her pee place then so you might need to move the litter tray when you find the new pee place.

Basically it's been a lot of change and she's freaked out. They also do need somewhere dark to retreat to to feel safe.

I'll add a couple of photos of my old cage set up (which was a bit too fulll and cluttered!) It's exactly the same cage as the hamster heaven but smaller bar spacing (Savic Mickey 2XL) and didn't come with all the plastic bits and pieces. I actually bought the hamster heaven shelf to put in it initially but couldn't get on with it - it wasn't flat and could never get the height quite right. So iwas quite glad when the ladder snapped and I took it out and put a flat roofed house in instead. And boy that caused major issues when I changed that! Our current syrian is more laid back but some just hate any change at all. They also like things to be just right - ie easily accessible - so get fussy if there are things like that (I put the sputnik too close to the bars once and he was not happy with having to squeeze into it!).

So when setting up - it's access first - really start with it simple - house, wheel, shelf, and then add a few floor toys or hanging things. But not those hanging barred ladders - they're a bit dangerous.

Our poor last syrian had so many changes to get his cage right - so now i just keep it simple with toys.

This is when I first had the cage set up. It didn't work. The little house n the shelf was a problem, and the hanging ladder was dangerous so had to come out. The little wood house at the front he ignored because I think he decided it wasn't big enough and wasn't dark inside.

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So I changed it to this which worked much better.

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But he didn't seem that interested in using the rat sputnik so I added a tunnel tied to the roof leading between the house roof and the sputnik and he really liked that roof run. Then adding bedding to the sputnik made it one of his favourite places. Looks a bit heath robinson though.

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He was so big and heavy his wheels kept breaking so I ended up with a 12" wobust wheel which was a bit too big for the cage (hence he got upgraded to another cage eventually).

This was the final set up. Changed the guinea pig house for an even larger house with a lift off roof. He was very happy in this set up with his litter tray inside the house - but with the large house and huge wheel he definitely needed more space by then. You don't need such a large house and wheel though!

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With the lovely big front door on the cage the sputnik was low enough that he would climb in and out of it when getting out of the cage.

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It became his favourite place - after his house

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Old 09-18-2018, 07:22 AM   #13
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A house that isn't too big or too small is the Ferplast Sin guinea pig house - it has a lift off roof. Its far too small for a guinea pig but spacious for a hamster without taking up too much cage space. A litter tray won't fit inside it but that doesn't matter. It does need a bendy bridge over the door though as the doors are much wider on the guinea pig houses. It fits together like a jigsaw so no nails or glue or anything.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ferplast-Gu...inea+pig+house

Charlie in his sputnik.

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This is the floor layout of the cage without the bars on top

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Old 09-18-2018, 07:28 AM   #14
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Thank's Serendipity - I'll do as you say and leave the cage be for a while . In the meantime I'll look for an ideal house, as the one I bought before (a kaytee igloo) she doesnt seem to like.
Currently she has a flying saucer in the middle of her cage secured to a wooden platform with two tube-y things underneath, then to the left there's both the HH platforms (pink on top of green) - she does fit quite nicely in the houses that come with the platforms! Then to the right of the wheel there's a long bendy bridge from front to back with a rainbow bridge to help her get up to the bridge, and a sandbath in the corner (actually a dog bowl XD)
It just seems strange that she's been settled for three weeks and decided now to bite again, I haven't changed anything in that time except adding the tube, but we'll wait it out and see what happens, haha
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Old 09-18-2018, 07:29 AM   #15
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aww I love that house!! Will definitely be buying that XD - adds an extra level too
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Old 09-18-2018, 07:33 AM   #16
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Also I was wanting to add her first cage (large p&h cage) to the top to giver her more room but couldn't seem to figure it out...I don't know whether I'm just missing tubes or if there is actually a way to do it... what do you think?
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Old 09-18-2018, 07:37 AM   #17
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If she's biting she's scared and feeling like nothing is safe or stable probably. Do you have a picture of your layout - might be able to spot something that might drive her mental ha ha. The other thing that can make them bite is if they're in pain. Does she seem ok.

Sometimes they bar chew to tell you something really important - like empty water bottle or wheel stuck - but you've already checked those.

What was the tube you added? Maybe she doesn't like it! You have to be careful with hamster tubes as they can get stuck - they're not very big - and Charlie did get stuck in the tubes that came in his cage - big stress time - managed to break them open to get him out. Rat sized tubes are better for syrians - although that cardboard one in my cage was a bit too big .

My favourite tunnel toys for syrians are the hyacinth ones - they are plenty big enoughfor a syrian without being as huge as the rat tubes - and they're chewable.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ROSEWOOD-Bo...yacinth+tunnel

Yes I ended up getting bigger and bigger houses lol and then wanted a bigger cage to put them in. Our current Syrian has a labyrinth house - they're popular too - but they do take up a lot of space and it's not really necessary to have a house that big. The Ferplast guinea pig one is big enough for a nice cosy nest though. Because theyre taller I used to sit it on the base of the cage, put some substrate inside and pile it up round the outside so it was normal height - and so it couldn't subside if tunnelled under.
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Old 09-18-2018, 07:39 AM   #18
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I had thoughts about adding other cages but I wouldn't really do that. Better to avoid the external plastic tubes altogether - it just leads to abnormal behaviours and is an escape route. What makes them happy is lots of substrate so they can pile it up into mountains and push it aroudn, and somewhere dark and cosy to nest in And they do like a shelf to sit on or under and finding bits of food.

Maybe adding the new tunnel was just the last straw. Another owner on here had her hamster get very cross for a while when the penthouse was taken away. The cage is a good cage if you kind of start from scratch or just use one shelf. The problem with the little houses on the shelf is they are solid underneath - and need cleaning out more and they can't bury things under the nest. I swear Charlie was growing a compost heap in his at first as it got so sweaty in there. They like the fact they are round and can curl up in them and Charlie always loved that little house even after I took it out - but he also loved his bigger hosue. I used the little round one from the shelf in the pet carrier and for playtime.

It's their instinct as it gets colder in winter - to make a huge nest to keep warm and they can't fit it in the little round houses. They really do feel the cold in winter.

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Old 09-18-2018, 07:45 AM   #19
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She seems fine health wise yeah - pooing/weeing/eating normally and very active
She already had the tube you've linked and I added one of those plastic bendy tube things at the side of the hyacinth one. She can turn fully round in the tubes that come with the cage and she likes them, and the new one is a fair bit bigger than those.
I THINK I've attached a picture of the layout pre bendy tube, haha
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Old 09-18-2018, 07:48 AM   #20
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I understand what you're saying about winter yeah - I definitely like the guinea pig house
Not sure why the picture's upside down!! How do I change that?!
FYI she bites underneath the long bendy bridge front right hand corner
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